Is this 2639-1 cal 265 original?

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There are so many dial variations in Omegas that I would never call one "wrong" just because I've not seen or can't find another. Don't get hung up on that. Also, don't get fixated on the fact that you've found one other dial that's almost (or even exactly) the same. Instead, look at your dial.

This only comes with the experience of seeing a huge number of photos AND physically holding and examining a large number of correct watches. This isn't bragging. It's not about "I've done more of this that you". It's also hard to explain. It's just experience.

A lot of people have given details as to why this watch is a redial. Let me just draw your attention to a few points:
1) the subdial
This is always the area to look at first. It's the thing most people get wrong when reprinting a dial. When the dial was originally made, it had tooling marks (concentric circles). It's decorative. It's also the way the dial was machined. When first printed, those circles are clearly visible. If a dial is repainted, they either vanish altogether or they become less pronounced. Can you see those concentric circles on your dial? I can't in the photograph.

Also, the original print is centred. If it wasn't, the dial failed the quality control and was cleaned and restamped. Is your print on the subdial perfectly centred? Are the individual markers evenly printed? Here's an all original dial
and here's a redial:

Can you see the clear circles in the first and how they're masked in the second?

2) Overpaint/Bleeding
Still looking at the subdial, move your attention to the black area. That subdial no longer appears round. The print is bleeding over from the main dial into the subdial. Again, this would have failed inspection at the factory. It's just sloppy. Omega did many strange things but they never did "sloppy".

3) Second and minute tracks
Rail tracks are the norm on the Omegas. You don't see individual markers as on your dial or my second example. Also, original dials are easily read. Look at the 5 minute marks. On my first example, these are blocked. Sometimes they might just be thicker lines ... but they're always distinguishable from the other minute marks.

Now, these points are generic. You can apply them to any watch and they will usually steer you in the right direction. When it comes to specifics, then you need to have particular knowledge of a reference. There are members who have commented on here who have that knowledge. I won't pretend to be one of them so I'll stop with the advice there.

What I will say is don't feel bad about not knowing. I've been doing this for more years than I care to count and I still make mistakes. Not many. But enough to be annoyed when it happens.
 
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@Skogh

Does your dial have the circles in the sub-dial?


Is there lume in the hands or does it look like black paint/onyx?


Also, do you have a larger pic of the "Omega" script? Sorry, my eyes aren't what they used to be, i can't tell from your pics.
Where did you get that picture from? Makes me crazy, I truly understand if you don't remember. I see now that I've been writing to 3 dif people haha. Didn't realize that.

Anyway. Yes circles in the subdial. No lume in the hands, black.

It's hard to see, looks very similar but I'm not sure.

I'm terrible at taking pictures.
 
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There are so many dial variations in Omegas that I would never call one "wrong" just because I've not seen or can't find another. Don't get hung up on that. Also, don't get fixated on the fact that you've found one other dial that's almost (or even exactly) the same. Instead, look at your dial.

This only comes with the experience of seeing a huge number of photos AND physically holding and examining a large number of correct watches. This isn't bragging. It's not about "I've done more of this that you". It's also hard to explain. It's just experience.

A lot of people have given details as to why this watch is a redial. Let me just draw your attention to a few points:
1) the subdial
This is always the area to look at first. It's the thing most people get wrong when reprinting a dial. When the dial was originally made, it had tooling marks (concentric circles). It's decorative. It's also the way the dial was machined. When first printed, those circles are clearly visible. If a dial is repainted, they either vanish altogether or they become less pronounced. Can you see those concentric circles on your dial? I can't in the photograph.

Also, the original print is centred. If it wasn't, the dial failed the quality control and was cleaned and restamped. Is your print on the subdial perfectly centred? Are the individual markers evenly printed? Here's an all original dial
and here's a redial:

Can you see the clear circles in the first and how they're masked in the second?

2) Overpaint/Bleeding
Still looking at the subdial, move your attention to the black area. That subdial no longer appears round. The print is bleeding over from the main dial into the subdial. Again, this would have failed inspection at the factory. It's just sloppy. Omega did many strange things but they never did "sloppy".

3) Second and minute tracks
Rail tracks are the norm on the Omegas. You don't see individual markers as on your dial or my second example. Also, original dials are easily read. Look at the 5 minute marks. On my first example, these are blocked. Sometimes they might just be thicker lines ... but they're always distinguishable from the other minute marks.

Now, these points are generic. You can apply them to any watch and they will usually steer you in the right direction. When it comes to specifics, then you need to have particular knowledge of a reference. There are members who have commented on here who have that knowledge. I won't pretend to be one of them so I'll stop with the advice there.

What I will say is don't feel bad about not knowing. I've been doing this for more years than I care to count and I still make mistakes. Not many. But enough to be annoyed when it happens.
1. Yes I can clearly see the circles. I don't understand which print. Do you mean The second marks on the subdial? They look centered but have to look for a while to be sure I belive.

2. I agree that it doesn't look round in that picture. But I swear that it does not look like that when I'm looking at it right now. In my last picture it appears more round.

3. Isn't the 5min mark the gold hour marker? Edit: wait I think I get what you mean. You mean on the subdial? That's a good point.


I'm not trying to argue because I really want it to be original. I appreciate help but this situation is so weird, I've already written about that.
 
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Will a 31,6mm glass still fit? I bought it because I thought it was an 2639 but maybe it isn't? Or the case is?

Thinking about selling it. What do you think a fair price is?

But I'm still wondering about that second and possibly third version. It would be so weird if that's not mine but some things make it seems like it's not mine.
 
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I've just realised that there are two watches in this thread: the original post with the two tone dial and then the later one. @Skogh ... it would be much simpler (for us simple folk) if you had a new thread that was just about your watch.

I've been addressing the original two tone dial but you can take the advice and apply to yours.
 
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I've just realised that there are two watches in this thread: the original post with the two tone dial and then the later one. @Skogh ... it would be much simpler (for us simple folk) if you had a new thread that was just about your watch.

I've been addressing the original two tone dial but you can take the advice and apply to yours.
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Hands and markers are different in colors. Terribly wrong!

 
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Where did you get that picture from? Makes me crazy, I truly understand if you don't remember. I see now that I've been writing to 3 dif people haha. Didn't realize that.

Anyway. Yes circles in the subdial. No lume in the hands, black.

It's hard to see, looks very similar but I'm not sure.

I'm terrible at taking pictures.

@Skogh,

- It's my watch, a 2639-4, i've had it for 3 years.
- My markers are silver, yours are gold.
- Black in the hands means they were most likely from another watch.
- I'd say all the parts are Omega, but maybe your watch needed replacements? Bad dial & corroded hands? Moisture damage maybe? Only the guy who put it together will know. Maybe a wrong crystal & retaining ring put the marks on the edge of the dial, maybe it's from another watch?
 
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There are so many dial variations in Omegas that I would never call one "wrong" just because I've not seen or can't find another. Don't get hung up on that. Also, don't get fixated on the fact that you've found one other dial that's almost (or even exactly) the same. Instead, look at your dial.

This only comes with the experience of seeing a huge number of photos AND physically holding and examining a large number of correct watches. This isn't bragging. It's not about "I've done more of this that you". It's also hard to explain. It's just experience.

A lot of people have given details as to why this watch is a redial. Let me just draw your attention to a few points:
1) the subdial
This is always the area to look at first. It's the thing most people get wrong when reprinting a dial. When the dial was originally made, it had tooling marks (concentric circles). It's decorative. It's also the way the dial was machined. When first printed, those circles are clearly visible. If a dial is repainted, they either vanish altogether or they become less pronounced. Can you see those concentric circles on your dial? I can't in the photograph.

Also, the original print is centred. If it wasn't, the dial failed the quality control and was cleaned and restamped. Is your print on the subdial perfectly centred? Are the individual markers evenly printed? Here's an all original dial
and here's a redial:

Can you see the clear circles in the first and how they're masked in the second?

2) Overpaint/Bleeding
Still looking at the subdial, move your attention to the black area. That subdial no longer appears round. The print is bleeding over from the main dial into the subdial. Again, this would have failed inspection at the factory. It's just sloppy. Omega did many strange things but they never did "sloppy".

3) Second and minute tracks
Rail tracks are the norm on the Omegas. You don't see individual markers as on your dial or my second example. Also, original dials are easily read. Look at the 5 minute marks. On my first example, these are blocked. Sometimes they might just be thicker lines ... but they're always distinguishable from the other minute marks.

Now, these points are generic. You can apply them to any watch and they will usually steer you in the right direction. When it comes to specifics, then you need to have particular knowledge of a reference. There are members who have commented on here who have that knowledge. I won't pretend to be one of them so I'll stop with the advice there.

What I will say is don't feel bad about not knowing. I've been doing this for more years than I care to count and I still make mistakes. Not many. But enough to be annoyed when it happens.
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