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Is this 12.68 5 adjusted a Franken?

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Thank you very much for all your information,much appreciated! The rectangular watch certainly shares important details with the watch that I am look at.
I have just sent a message to longines,and knowing how good their staff in archives are,I should get a reply within a few day,and will let you know the reply.
My pleasure, and looking forward to the response from Longines.

Here is another cal. 12.68Z with the "5 ADJ." marking. The photos were taken from the Italian forum Orologi & Passioni.

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DirtyDozen12 DirtyDozen12
My pleasure, and looking forward to the response from Longines.

Here is another cal. 12.68Z with the "5 ADJ." marking. The photos were taken from the Italian forum Orologi & Passioni.

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Beautiful watch!
 
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DirtyDozen12 DirtyDozen12
My pleasure, and looking forward to the response from Longines.

Here is another cal. 12.68Z with the "5 ADJ." marking. The photos were taken from the Italian forum Orologi & Passioni.

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Just received this from the wonderful staff at Longines...

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Dear Mr. Eldridge,

We thank you for contacting us and for your interest in Longines watches.

Further to your request, we are pleased to provide the information contained in Longines' handwritten registers.

The original serial number 5'704'670 identifies a wristwatch in stainless steel bearing the reference 4165 and the order number 20474. It is fitted with a Longines manually wound mechanical movement, caliber 12.68Z and was invoiced on 30 November 1940 to the company Weil, which was at that time our agent for Chile.

We trust that we have responded satisfactorily to your request and remain at your entire disposal for any additional information.

Best regards,

Elisa Jurt
Branding and Heritage
 
DirtyDozen12
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Thank you for the update.

Nothing seems amiss. Both Central and South America are known to have ordered some unusual dials and cases during the period so I think that this watch fits. I know of another 12.68Z marked "5 ADJ." that was invoiced to Messrs. Perret (Brazil) in 1941, and a cal. 23M marked "5 ADJ." that was invoiced to Casullo (Panama) in 1943.
 
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DirtyDozen12 DirtyDozen12
Thank you for the update.

Nothing seems amiss. Both Central and South America are known to have ordered some unusual dials and cases during the period so I think that this watch fits. I know of another 12.68Z marked "5 ADJ." that was invoiced to Messrs. Perret (Brazil) in 1941, and a cal. 23M marked "5 ADJ." that was invoiced to Casullo (Panama) in 1943.

That's good to know thank you.

How would have these 5 adjusted watches been marketed if they are not regarded as chronometers,but are adjusted in more positions than a standard 12.68 as I assume not all longines movements sold to these countries had 5 adj ?
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Unfortunately, I do not know how these watches would have been marketed. I am not even sure if they were explicitly marketed. As far as I know, a standard 12.68Z would not have been adjusted in 5 positions.
 
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This is how certain chronometres were marketed in Saigon in the thirties. Pardon the French. I hope this doesn't seem too irrelevant to you
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This is how certain chronometres were marketed in Saigon in the thirties. Pardon the French. I hope this doesn't seem too irrelevant to you
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Thank you,that very helpful.I think 5 adjusted marked longines movements are definitely something that's worth studying.

I will make an offer to the buyer to see how flexible he is regarding price.
 
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Thank you,that very helpful.I think 5 adjusted marked longines movements are definitely something that's worth studying.

I will make an offer to the buyer to see how flexible he is regarding price.
You're welcome. Thanks again for sharing this cool watch with us and ... wear in good health, after proper service and of course good luck with the purchase
 
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