Is Grand Seiko worth the money?

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I've owned many vintage and modern grand seiko watches. I've never lost money on one when re organizing the collection. If you have specific questions feel free to reach out. Most of the active members on this forum are quite clueless within this space. This is not the place to listen to or take advice regarding grand seiko.
 
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Mmm, seems to be quite Abit of points made here, let me address the value retention part of Grand Seiko.

Grand Seiko, for the most of their current models, I believe to be on the same value retention as Omega. If you buy a GS Snowflake at retail (because it is readily available, there's no wait list) you are looking at about 20-30% drop in value if you intend to sell it as BNIB the very next day.

That said, I would believe Omega Seamasters 300s to be moving at the same value / ratio as well. (simply because it is readily available)

However many of the Seiko LEs release tend to hold their value or even appreciate. GS is in bit of both ends with regards to regular supply for it's base models and very limited supply for their LE ones.

That said, I sold all my Rolex models and bought myself a SBGW253 and SLA017 and I couldn't be happier. GS needs a loupe to be appreciated.
 
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I'm not sure why the debate on the spring drive system is relevant...
Perhaps it's because nobody knows how to work on it other than the guys who build them? Like any other mechanical watch, they aren't maintenance-free. Maybe that shouldn't matter, but total cost/convenience of ownership is a consideration for some people.
 
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I'm not sure why the debate on the spring drive system is relevant, some people are constantly hung up on the fact that it contains a quartz controlled regulator....'it's not a real mechanical watch, sniff". But you can strap a Seiko spring drive watch on, wear it, it never needs a battery, doesn't need sunlight or other kind of power except what you put in with your wrist like any other automatic watch. And you'll get accuracy to within a second a week without fiddling around with positioning it at night to find the best rate. Name another mechanically wound watch that will do that week in/week out. You can debate how it is done, but it works. Let the Swiss, or someone else, design a more accurate watch. We don't have a lot of different escapements in wristwatches, mainly lever escapements that have been improved with better hairsprings, mainsprings, alloys, etc, but the spring drive idea is a lot different.

More accurate watches are all around you. Any HAQ will outperform the spring drive. The spring drive is a spring powered analogue quartz watch, as all timekeeping functionality is done via a quartz crystal. The real innovation in this movement is the work done to make the brake for the glide wheel operate with very low power consumption - the electronic side of this is why it took so long to come to market.

So what the SD does, is give you quartz accuracy that is not the best, but with the same maintenance that a mechanical watch requires...oh and a smoothly sweeping seconds hand that everyone loves.

I agree there is an unnatural bias against quartz in the watch collecting community (one I do not share, by the way), which is why I'm sure someone will argue with me that it isn't a quartz watch, but that doesn't change the fact that it is. It's just one that is powered by a spring rather than a battery, so it's another in long list of hybrid watches that have been made over the years.
 
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Yes they are.

the swiss do not have a monopoly of fine watches.
 
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Thanks for the interesting reads!
I think i will add a more entry-level Seiko to my collection this year to see how it fits, looks,... and maybe later i will look into buying a GS.
Also the Seiko 5 with Arabic dial is a watch i would love to own but has proven not to be easy to get my hands on!

This one? J Shop and Amazon

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I'm not sure why the debate on the spring drive system is relevant, some people are constantly hung up on the fact that it contains a quartz controlled regulator....'it's not a real mechanical watch, sniff". But you can strap a Seiko spring drive watch on, wear it, it never needs a battery, doesn't need sunlight or other kind of power except what you put in with your wrist like any other automatic watch. And you'll get accuracy to within a second a week without fiddling around with positioning it at night to find the best rate. Name another mechanically wound watch that will do that week in/week out. You can debate how it is done, but it works. Let the Swiss, or someone else, design a more accurate watch. We don't have a lot of different escapements in wristwatches, mainly lever escapements that have been improved with better hairsprings, mainsprings, alloys, etc, but the spring drive idea is a lot different.
Well, you could kind of say that about a Seiko Kinetic. I agree with you, though.
 
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This one? J Shop and Amazon

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Yes, that one (not exactly but very similar)! I have mostly searched for a seller in europe and but most good ones are in America or Japan. But i think i will just buy one from America/japan and pay the fee's!
 
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This one? J Shop and Amazon

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kfw

Reminds me of this one.

Rolex-Day-Date-Special-Edition-Arabic-Ice-Blue-Dial-Oyster-Perpetual-Platinum-228206-Front.jpg
 
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Reminds me of this one.
Yes it does! I think Seiko did a great job with the black dial though. Its also a bit more affordable 😉
 
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Thanks for the link! I will check it out! 😀
If the seller above doesn’t work out there are others, although the price might be higher.

SEIKO 5 SNK063J5 21 Jewels Automatic Japan Made Arabic Number Limited 34mm Dial

This one looks a little more Euro-friendly. Also they mention that they have a slightly larger model (42 mm). Here is that larger model. Should be about the same price.

Seiko 5 Automatic Black Dial Men's Watch SNKP21J1

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Yes, Seiko makes excellent watches and you will get tremendous value for your dollar. Seiko made the mistake in the USA years ago of marketing their less expensive watches, mostly quartz movements and thus the public perception is not on par with high end Swiss brands which are associated with prestige. But, if you look at the history of Seiko and the Grand Seiko watch you will soon come to realize that not only are the high end Seikos on par with the Swiss brands, but in some cases superior. Many are unaware that the most expensive Seiko watches can sell upward to $500,000 Euro.
http://www.extravaganzi.com/credor-new-seiko-e500000-watch/

It still all comes down to what visually appeals to you in the end and what name, if that is what is important to you, you wear on your wrist.

Links for you to explore:
https://timepiecelegacy.com/are-japan-watches-better-than-swiss/

https://www.themodestman.com/grand-seiko/

https://watchesbysjx.com/2013/06/explaining-seikos-legendary-history-in-swiss-chronometer-trials-with-live-pictures-of-its-landmark-astronomical-observatory-chronometer.html#:~:text=Seiko only entered the Swiss,were important and prestigious events.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/grand-seiko-hodinkee-10-best-stories
I agree on that, actually I exposed the fact that the perception I think still is not on par with a high end swiss brand.

New for me they had $500k watches.
 
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I agree on that, actually I exposed the fact that the perception I think still is not on par with a high end swiss brand.

New for me they had $500k watches.
It's a Credor, not a GS. Stylistically they are very different. Any price can be justified by glueing enough diamonds on.
 
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Grand Seiko is certainly worth the money. The craftsmanship and attention to detail is way above their price range. Remember reading an article that had macro shots of a Patek, Breguet, and a GS, real eye opener on their attention to detail.
 
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Yes, that one (not exactly but very similar)! I have mostly searched for a seller in europe and but most good ones are in America or Japan. But i think i will just buy one from America/japan and pay the fee's!

got mine from an eBay seller based in the middle east. Dubai i think.