Is Grand Seiko worth the money?

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They have never really grabbed my attention but I've heard they make some fine watches.
Are they worth the money or should you stay with swiss brands?
 
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Yes, Seiko makes excellent watches and you will get tremendous value for your dollar. Seiko made the mistake in the USA years ago of marketing their less expensive watches, mostly quartz movements and thus the public perception is not on par with high end Swiss brands which are associated with prestige. But, if you look at the history of Seiko and the Grand Seiko watch you will soon come to realize that not only are the high end Seikos on par with the Swiss brands, but in some cases superior. Many are unaware that the most expensive Seiko watches can sell upward to $500,000 Euro.
http://www.extravaganzi.com/credor-new-seiko-e500000-watch/

It still all comes down to what visually appeals to you in the end and what name, if that is what is important to you, you wear on your wrist.

Links for you to explore:
https://timepiecelegacy.com/are-japan-watches-better-than-swiss/

https://www.themodestman.com/grand-seiko/

https://watchesbysjx.com/2013/06/ex...e Swiss,were important and prestigious events.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/grand-seiko-hodinkee-10-best-stories
 
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Yes, Seiko makes excellent watches and you will get tremendous value for your dollar. Seiko made the mistake in the USA years ago of marketing their less expensive watches, mostly quartz movements and thus the public perception is not on par with high end Swiss brands which are associated with prestige. But, if you look at the history of Seiko and the Grand Seiko watch you will soon come to realize that not only are the high end Seikos on par with the Swiss brands, but in some cases superior. Many are unaware that the most expensive Seiko watches can sell upward to $500,000 Euro.
http://www.extravaganzi.com/credor-new-seiko-e500000-watch/

It still all comes down to what visually appeals to you in the end and what name, if that is what is important to you, you wear on your wrist.

Links for you to explore:
https://timepiecelegacy.com/are-japan-watches-better-than-swiss/

https://www.themodestman.com/grand-seiko/

https://watchesbysjx.com/2013/06/explaining-seikos-legendary-history-in-swiss-chronometer-trials-with-live-pictures-of-its-landmark-astronomical-observatory-chronometer.html#:~:text=Seiko only entered the Swiss,were important and prestigious events.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/grand-seiko-hodinkee-10-best-stories

Thanks for the interesting reads!
I think i will add a more entry-level Seiko to my collection this year to see how it fits, looks,... and maybe later i will look into buying a GS.
Also the Seiko 5 with Arabic dial is a watch i would love to own but has proven not to be easy to get my hands on!
 
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Entry-level Seiko and GS are apples and oranges. It's virtually a separate brand IMO. As to whether they are worth the money, only you can decide. It depends a lot on your taste, resources, and how you feel about conspicuous prestige.
 
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Links for you to explore:
Thanks for sharing these links. I've also pondered a similar question having never really been taken by GS. I suspect that changes with the more information one has. The grand education continues.
 
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If u look in the seiko thread I asked the question about grand seikos value retention. I asked in that thread as many owners of them post there. The response I got was they lose quite a bit of value when you walk out the door of the AD. That probably is not true with many of the LE’s. I don’t think that is the only way to judge a watch but something I was curious of. I see many that are stunning watches I’d love to own. Then again if you don’t plan on selling and it’s something you really like it may be worth buying new. I’m only piping in since I posed a similar question, I don’t own a grand seiko but I see many I wouldn’t mind owning
 
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If u look in the seiko thread I asked the question about grand seikos value retention. I asked in that thread as many owners of them post there. The response I got was they lose quite a bit of value when you walk out the door of the AD. That probably is not true with many of the LE’s. I don’t think that is the only way to judge a watch but something I was curious of. I see many that are stunning watches I’d love to own. Then again if you don’t plan on selling and it’s something you really like it may be worth buying new. I’m only piping in since I posed a similar question, I don’t own a grand seiko but I see many I wouldn’t mind owning
There are few watches that consistently appreciate or hold their value over time, and it can change over time as taste and style change.
This might make a good new thread...
 
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I have three Seikos, no Grand Seikos, and I love the ones I have. I have some trouble with Grand Seikos, because I think the design language is incoherent. But fabulous, well engineered watches.
 
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I too own SEIKO watches, all vintage divers from 1960-1980. They are all work horses and for the most part easy to maintain.
GMAS 6217-8001 circa 1967


6309-7040 circa 1977-1984


6105-8000 8110 circa 1968-1974
 
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Grand Seiko is still a nish brand in many respects but beautiful watches they do make. Case finishing is legendary.
If your not a flipper you will enjoy the ownership and go for it. Finishing is on par with high end Swiss and movements are bomb proof.
 
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Fit and finish are great and in some cases superior to Swiss, as others have pointed out. Value retention depends on market, luck (whether anyone wants to admit it or not, c'mon, who bought a Daytona in 1940 expecting it to pay for their kid or grandkid's college career?), the model, and a lot of individual variables. It's less of a niche brand outside the states/N.A. in my experience - they've been available in the U.S. for a far shorter time, but in other places get the same polite nod of 'knowing' you might get from another watch nerd who notices a vintage Tudor Ranger or a newer Glashutte Original, etc. That's my experience, anyway.

Their more baseline models often remind me of Aqua Terra designs (moreso the older designs, to be fair), personally I'd feel equally comfortable with either for most situations.

*My own collection no longer includes a GS, but does have several modern divers and one vintage Seiko 7006, a newer Seiko 5, and hopefully a GS again soon.
 
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There are few watches that consistently appreciate or hold their value over time, and it can change over time as taste and style change.
This might make a good new thread...
Actually it probably would. I’m not much of a flipper, I think I’ve sold maybe 6 or seven watches mostly because when I got them there was something about it I didn’t like or a few I bought as a gift for people but once I had them I didn’t like how the dial had aged and didn’t feel right giving it as a gift to someone. I’ve gifted many more than I sold but that’s because I have family in China and they really love vintage watches and report they have trouble finding them. When I buy for myself I am curious to know if the watch has a decent chance of retaining its value Incase I want to move it to get something different but I’m not at the point where I “invest” in watches. I just like them. I do see the vintage grand seikos can be found at decent prices and I like the looks of them of course the vintage GS dials are nowhere near what GS is producing today but they still look very nice. I’m afraid if I decided to take a chunk of money and study up and consider buying a watch as an “investment” it may decrease my enjoyment of them. I almost did a few months ago but decided to go with Microsoft and just pick up watches I like so I don’t need to drive myself nuts with dings and scratches but I do think it’s cool how many here make a living dealing watches it can be an expensive hobby and I’m sure people devote a lot of time being professional flippers or sellers whatever they call themselves. I don’t begrudge anyone making an honest buck
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Actually it probably would. I’m not much of a flipper, I think I’ve sold maybe 6 or seven watches mostly because when I got them there was something about it I didn’t like or a few I bought as a gift for people but once I had them I didn’t like how the dial had aged and didn’t feel right giving it as a gift to someone. I’ve gifted many more than I sold but that’s because I have family in China and they really love vintage watches and report they have trouble finding them. When I buy for myself I am curious to know if the watch has a decent chance of retaining its value Incase I want to move it to get something different but I’m not at the point where I “invest” in watches. I just like them. I do see the vintage grand seikos can be found at decent prices and I like the looks of them of course the vintage GS dials are nowhere near what GS is producing today but they still look very nice. I’m afraid if I decided to take a chunk of money and study up and consider buying a watch as an “investment” it may decrease my enjoyment of them. I almost did a few months ago but decided to go with Microsoft and just pick up watches I like so I don’t need to drive myself nuts with dings and scratches but I do think it’s cool how many here make a living dealing watches it can be an expensive hobby and I’m sure people devote a lot of time being professional flippers or sellers whatever they call themselves. I don’t begrudge anyone making an honest buck
Great comment! And I did create a thread...
 
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Like Omega, most ADs will give a discount on most models. So you catch a little break there.

If you like your stuff with mirror-like "zaratsu" finish, then this will be worth it, they are even mirror polishing the backs of hands. this is how they made such a big stride with collectors and enthusiasts in the last few years.

Seiko's textured dial game is second to none. There are many many av options.
 
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I put Grand Seiko on par with the Swiss watches in the same price range (USD 5-8k). The Spring Drive is technologically way ahead of whatever the Swiss have, the pure mechanicals are good, too. Casework and dial work are superior to any Swiss work at almost any price. Take a look at a GS dial and hands with a loupe and you'll find perfect polishing and finishing. A GS certainly deserves consideration in a well rounded collection.
 
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I put Grand Seiko on par with the Swiss watches in the same price range (USD 5-8k). The Spring Drive is technologically way ahead of whatever the Swiss have, the pure mechanicals are good, too. Casework and dial work are superior to any Swiss work at almost any price. Take a look at a GS dial and hands with a loupe and you'll find perfect polishing and finishing. A GS certainly deserves consideration in a well rounded collection.
I don’t think there is much debate about what they are doing with their dials. They are crazy nice. There is probably a consensus on that but as far as the spring drive goes dont you think that is debate? I only say that after reading watch makers talk about it here and other things I have read online. This is more of a question than a statement as I’ve never had one and couldn’t speak intelligently about it.
 
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As others have stated, only you can decide whether they’re worth your money (and up to how much) or not. I wouldn’t mind having one GS, and would consider one their newest offerings - GMT, 200m water resistance, 40.5 mm, spring drive (sure, high tech quartz ...) - kind of unique imho, such as this one.

 
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The modern ones have better finishing that anything I've seen at that price point, but there's a thicket of them. I love mine
 
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I don’t think there is much debate about what they are doing with their dials. They are crazy nice. There is probably a consensus on that but as far as the spring drive goes dont you think that is debate? I only say that after reading watch makers talk about it here and other things I have read online. This is more of a question than a statement as I’ve never had one and couldn’t speak intelligently about it.
I'm not sure why the debate on the spring drive system is relevant, some people are constantly hung up on the fact that it contains a quartz controlled regulator....'it's not a real mechanical watch, sniff". But you can strap a Seiko spring drive watch on, wear it, it never needs a battery, doesn't need sunlight or other kind of power except what you put in with your wrist like any other automatic watch. And you'll get accuracy to within a second a week without fiddling around with positioning it at night to find the best rate. Name another mechanically wound watch that will do that week in/week out. You can debate how it is done, but it works. Let the Swiss, or someone else, design a more accurate watch. We don't have a lot of different escapements in wristwatches, mainly lever escapements that have been improved with better hairsprings, mainsprings, alloys, etc, but the spring drive idea is a lot different.