Is anyone into naval submarines?

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Don't forget the swiss navy...

We have so small submarines that nobody can't see, hear or located it...and as a small country we prefer a small aircraft carrier馃榿


LOL. They should invest in Harrier's or Osprey's.
 
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I spent seven years on Los Angeles class submarines... I can assure you, even the 688s are more modern, in every way, than a Russian boat.

It is rumored that the Akula class boats use minimal radiation shielding to save weight (and increase max speed).. and that the crews would have to be swapped periodically to avoid radiation sickness.

Pick up the book "Blind Man's Bluff" - an outstanding account of submarine service.

Old Russian joke...
Q: How can you recognize a sailor from the North Fleet?
A: He glows in the dark.
 
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The russians have a loud mouth and boast a lot especially by internal and external propaganda but they don't always have the capabilities that they brag about.
But it doesn't mean that they have to be underestimated. After all it's the fact that they are less developed that hardens them and could make them a worthier adversary, as opposed to more developed nations that have really struggled for decades in conflicts where the enemy was nowhere near as advanced.
 
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The russians have a loud mouth and boast a lot especially by internal and external propaganda but they don't always have the capabilities that they brag about.
But it doesn't mean that they have to be underestimated. After all it's the fact that they are less developed that hardens them and could make them a worthier adversary, as opposed to more developed nations that have really struggled for decades in conflicts where the enemy was nowhere near as advanced.
We laughed when we discovered vacuum tubes in the radio of a defector's MIG-25. The rivets on the wings were laughed at also.
The landing gear was silly big and robust.
I believe rough field landing, EMP and laminar flow testing stopped the laughing.
The Russians were prepared to fight THROUGH and PAST a nuclear exchange.
Nobody else was.
 
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We laughed when we discovered vacuum tubes in the radio of a defector's MIG-25. The rivets on the wings were laughed at also.
The landing gear was silly big and robust.
I believe rough field landing, EMP and laminar flow testing stopped the laughing.
The Russians were prepared to fight THROUGH and PAST a nuclear exchange.
Nobody else was.
Actually we really over estimated the capabilities of the Mig-25. Most specifically the radar, maneuverability and range. Turns out it was just a fast thirsty bird with a simple radar. The history of the Mig-25 the sr71 and xb-70 then b-1a is pretty interesting. The F-15 was also influenced heavily on what they thought the Mig-25 could do.

The west understood the reasoning for.vacuum tubes. They are better at dealing.with the high heat of a plane.that fast and are shielded from emp.
 
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We laughed when we discovered vacuum tubes in the radio of a defector's MIG-25. The rivets on the wings were laughed at also.
The landing gear was silly big and robust.
I believe rough field landing, EMP and laminar flow testing stopped the laughing.
The Russians were prepared to fight THROUGH and PAST a nuclear exchange.
Nobody else was.

I used to be involved in security for a long running air show that featured military aircraft primarily. I did this from the early 80's to the later 90's.

I was lucky enough to be close to, or in, many different Western aircraft over the years...sat in cockpits of all kinds of fighters, older planes at the end of their service life, as well as current planes for that era. The first year we had a B1 Bomber at the show, I got inside that as well (instrumentation was unconventional to say the least, at least for that time).

Back when the Soviet bloc first dissolved, we were treated to some Ukrainian MIG 29's at our show. I didn't sit in one, but got up to look in the cockpit - looked like a Viet Nam era F4 at best. You mention the rivets, which is what triggered all my memories from that year - the external construction appeared to be pretty crappy in that it certainly wasn't very refined. Not the kind of workmanship you would find on any Western aircraft of the time - not pretty, but I'm sure it was effective.
 
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I spent a day aboard the SSBN Michigan back in the early 80s when the Cold War was still pretty chilly. I was auditioning for a job in the Nuclear Propulsion Officer Candidate (NUPOC) program. Back then, part of the job application process included a one-on-one interview with the father of naval nuclear propulsion, Admiral Rickover. To my great disappointment, I didn't get the job. But the day spent aboard the Michigan was a memorable experience. The sub carried a total 24 missiles. Each missile was tipped with up to 10 individual nuclear warheads. Each warhead had the explosive energy of 20 Hiroshima bombs. When you do the arithmetic, that comes out to a total of 4,800 Hiroshima bomb's worth of destruction carried by a single vessel. Bringing this back to the contemporary political scene in the United States, imagine a future with a decidedly kooky Commander In Chief having ultimate control of a fleet of 18 vessels just like the Michigan.
 
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I spent a day aboard the SSBN Michigan back in the early 80s when the Cold War was still pretty chilly. I was auditioning for a job in the Nuclear Propulsion Officer Candidate (NUPOC) program. Back then, part of the job application process included a one-on-one interview with the father of naval nuclear propulsion, Admiral Rickover. To my great disappointment, I didn't get the job. But the day spent aboard the Michigan was a memorable experience. The sub carried a total 24 missiles. Each missile was tipped with up to 10 individual nuclear warheads. Each warhead had the explosive energy of 20 Hiroshima bombs. When you do the arithmetic, that comes out to a total of 4,800 Hiroshima bomb's worth of destruction carried by a single vessel. Bringing this back to the contemporary political scene in the United States, imagine a future with a decidedly kooky Commander In Chief having ultimate control of a fleet of 18 vessels just like the Michigan.

Did it sail while you were aboard or was it at port?
 
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Did it sail while you were aboard or was it at port?

Oh, I wish the sub had been at sea! It was an absolute wonder of (at the time) cutting-edge technology. But alas, it was at port in Bremerton, Washington. The sub-pen it was berthed in had an open roof so that Soviet spy satellites could see the 24 missile ports on the rear deck.
 
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Oh, I wish the sub had been at sea! It was an absolute wonder of (at the time) cutting-edge technology. But alas, it was at port in Bremerton, Washington. The sub-pen it was berthed in had an open roof so that Soviet spy satellites could see the 24 missile ports on the rear deck.

Too bad! I would love to be aboard a sub when it performs an emergency blow.
 
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I spent a day aboard the SSBN Michigan back in the early 80s when the Cold War was still pretty chilly. I was auditioning for a job in the Nuclear Propulsion Officer Candidate (NUPOC) program. Back then, part of the job application process included a one-on-one interview with the father of naval nuclear propulsion, Admiral Rickover. To my great disappointment, I didn't get the job. But the day spent aboard the Michigan was a memorable experience. The sub carried a total 24 missiles. Each missile was tipped with up to 10 individual nuclear warheads. Each warhead had the explosive energy of 20 Hiroshima bombs. When you do the arithmetic, that comes out to a total of 4,800 Hiroshima bomb's worth of destruction carried by a single vessel. Bringing this back to the contemporary political scene in the United States, imagine a future with a decidedly kooky Commander In Chief having ultimate control of a fleet of 18 vessels just like the Michigan.
YOU MET RICKOVER? That is a historic event in itself. No girlfriends on subs back then. You're better off.
Watch The movie "The Dead Zone"...replace Martin Sheen's Character (Greg Stillson) with BHO or Hillary.
Be afraid....OH!
You already are.馃槻馃え

"What does it matter at this point anyway?"馃槜
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The russians are and always have been pragmatic/spartan. It might not work for others but it works for them. Though, on the long term, I think westerners have a better approach of things. But the westerners can afford more than the russians.
 
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The Russians are superior at metallurgy and making things work on the fly (at least from my past life). But for me, I am a part of the Navy with the Yellow Submarine.::facepalm1::
 
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I used to be involved in security for a long running air show that featured military aircraft primarily. I did this from the early 80's to the later 90's.

I was lucky enough to be close to, or in, many different Western aircraft over the years...sat in cockpits of all kinds of fighters, older planes at the end of their service life, as well as current planes for that era. The first year we had a B1 Bomber at the show, I got inside that as well (instrumentation was unconventional to say the least, at least for that time).

Back when the Soviet bloc first dissolved, we were treated to some Ukrainian MIG 29's at our show. I didn't sit in one, but got up to look in the cockpit - looked like a Viet Nam era F4 at best. You mention the rivets, which is what triggered all my memories from that year - the external construction appeared to be pretty crappy in that it certainly wasn't very refined. Not the kind of workmanship you would find on any Western aircraft of the time - not pretty, but I'm sure it was effective.

Bringing the tread back into watch territory:

Did I mention that I have a cockpit watch from a Mig 29 on my desk?

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Cheers Al
 
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I have a similar one. I bought it at a gun show. Guy had a lot of salvage. I figured I'd get it fixed. I love clocks.
Set it on my bookshelf in my office.
Later, for another project, I bought a radiation detector. Actually 2 for different purposes. (Think "Geiger Counter") I tried them on a whole bunch stuff all around the house. Bond Girl sure got chuckles watching her child-husband playing with his toys.
Nothing much registered even on the sensitive one.
Until I got to my Mig clock.
Think Chernobyl.
I bought lead (Pb) sheets and lined a box.
It sits in the garage surrounded by lead bullets.
It only comes out once in awhile as a curiosity/conversation piece.
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I have a similar one. I bought it at a gun show. Guy had a lot of salvage. I figured I'd get it fixed. I love clocks.
Set it on my bookshelf in my office.
Later, for another project, I bought a radiation detector. Actually 2 for different purposes. (Think "Geiger Counter") I tried them on a whole bunch stuff all around the house. Bond Girl sure got chuckles watching her child-husband playing with his toys.
Nothing much registered even on the sensative one.
Until I got to my Mig clock.
Think Chernobyl.
I bought lead (Pb) sheets and lined a box.
It sits in the garage surrounded by lead bullets.
It only comes out once in awhile as a curiosity/conversation piece.

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Thx for the heads up. .. I never would have thought... def going to move it.

I think I will gift it to my boss. ..馃榿
 
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Believe it or not that one actually flew in yesterday from Ukraine. It's from the Soviet era. I also have an admiral's watch...

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