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johannes_climacu
·I posted pictures and a link to the posting, but it's awaiting moderator approval. So when that's through, y'all will be able to see the actual watch.
Is a repainted 165.002 a good first watch?
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Porteroso
·I posted pictures and a link to the posting, but it's awaiting moderator approval. So when that's through, y'all will be able to see the actual watch.
And although everyone is saying to be patient... The exact dial you're talking about will be really, really hard to find. If you are ok with not buying a watch for years, and checking every day, sure, that may be doable. But I think you do need to expand your list of desirable dials, and go with something else.
You'll be competing with all the watch collecting degenerates on this forum if you want a black dialed crosshair Seamaster, and some of them have very quick fingers. If you like the watch that was linked, I'd start there. BTW I think @sneer also had a black dialed Seamaster for sale.
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Davidt
·Why not just post some pictures or at the very least the price?
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BrokenSkunk
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You'll be competing with all the watch collecting degenerates on this forum if you want a black dialed crosshair Seamaster
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Note that I did not have a loupe and I'm due a new set of varifocals, so my inspection should be taken with a pinch of salt. Also I'm not good enough at Omega to know what the case reference was.
Sadly Bridgenorth is a couple of hundred miles from home. It will probably need a visit the dealer in person, there is a website, but stock is not listed online. If anyone wants further details of the dealer I suggest you DM me.
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sneer
·Sounds good!
And although everyone is saying to be patient... The exact dial you're talking about will be really, really hard to find. If you are ok with not buying a watch for years, and checking every day, sure, that may be doable. But I think you do need to expand your list of desirable dials, and go with something else.
You'll be competing with all the watch collecting degenerates on this forum if you want a black dialed crosshair Seamaster, and some of them have very quick fingers. If you like the watch that was linked, I'd start there. BTW I think @sneer also had a black dialed Seamaster for sale.
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BrokenSkunk
·Sneer's watches are lovely. I bought an early quartz Seamaster from him and it's like new. ^^ Trusted seller ^^.
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johannes_climacu
·Why not just post some pictures or at the very least the price?
I already know that the price is higher than what folks will think is a good deal. I'm more interested in finding a great watch than finding a great deal though. I talked to the seller and negotiated a bit lower of a price, which I'm not going to disclose on the forum because it seems like it goes against the spirit of making a private offer if you then blast it out to the internet. Guess I'm old fashioned that way, which will make me fit in with a watch that's 60+ years old 😝
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johannes_climacu
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·Ok well looking at your link it’s neither a great watch nor a good deal.
Many members have ‘gone nuclear’ with a high bud for a great watch but there is no sense in paying a premium for a redialed watch.
Of course it’s your decision but you asked for opinions and I doubt a single person on this forum would advocate buying that watch even if you negotiated a 50% discount.
Many members have ‘gone nuclear’ with a high bud for a great watch but there is no sense in paying a premium for a redialed watch.
Of course it’s your decision but you asked for opinions and I doubt a single person on this forum would advocate buying that watch even if you negotiated a 50% discount.
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johannes_climacu
·Ok well looking at your link it’s neither a great watch nor a good deal.
Many members have ‘gone nuclear’ with a high bud for a great watch but there is no sense in paying a premium for a redialed watch.
Of course it’s your decision but you asked for opinions and I doubt a single person on this forum would advocate buying that watch even if you negotiated a 50% discount.
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Dan S
·A watch with a repainted dial is de facto not a great watch. I wouldn't pay one third of the asking price. Honestly, if you are serious about buying a watch like that, just buy it ... don't ask collectors for permission. To us, it's junk.
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·A watch with a repainted dial is de facto not a great watch. I wouldn't pay one third of the asking price. Honestly, if you are serious about buying a watch like that, just buy it ... don't ask collectors for permission. To us, it's junk.
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·It’s a redial. And a typical black crosshair redial at that as black dials are uncommon yet popular so many dealers redial silver dials in black to increase their desirability with no care for how the watch looked originally.
I don’t care what the dealer says, This watch didn’t look like this when it was new. This model didn’t come with a black dial and white crosshair so it’s not a faithful restoration of what the watch looked like originally.
At best it looked like the watch below. But those dials tend to hold up fairly well and even in a deteriorated state they carry a premium so I’d wager good money it didn’t even look like this but was a standard silver dial.
As Dan says, a redial is never a good watch. A significant portion of the monetary and collectible value of a vintage watch is in the dial. When it’s redialed, that value is practically zero.
I don’t care what the dealer says, This watch didn’t look like this when it was new. This model didn’t come with a black dial and white crosshair so it’s not a faithful restoration of what the watch looked like originally.
At best it looked like the watch below. But those dials tend to hold up fairly well and even in a deteriorated state they carry a premium so I’d wager good money it didn’t even look like this but was a standard silver dial.
As Dan says, a redial is never a good watch. A significant portion of the monetary and collectible value of a vintage watch is in the dial. When it’s redialed, that value is practically zero.
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sneer
·Is this watch automatic, or manual wind?
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BrokenSkunk
·Lovely photos - this seller knows how to display a watch. But it is a repainted dial. Black is usually used because it's great at hiding all manner of grot on the dial.
Movement looks shiny and clean, no sign of corrosion around the case back or on the steel parts. Some screwheads are perfect, others a tiny bit chewed. All bridges are the same colour.
To be fair it doesn't look too bad. But it is vastly overpriced. If the dial was original, in that condition it would be worth 1/2 to 2/3 of the asking.
Holisitically there is something very wrong. A case and a movement in that condition should be paired with a good original dial. There should be no reason to re-dial a watch that came out of that case... Call it spidey senses if you like.
I would not touch this watch with a barge pole.
This is a useful check:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?ite...n=classicwristwatches&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1
It's the seller's history. We have one original watch and another redial. Both beautifully photographed, both heavily polished. Both waaaay overpriced.
You're paying a heavy premium for the seller's ability to take a photo.
Movement looks shiny and clean, no sign of corrosion around the case back or on the steel parts. Some screwheads are perfect, others a tiny bit chewed. All bridges are the same colour.
To be fair it doesn't look too bad. But it is vastly overpriced. If the dial was original, in that condition it would be worth 1/2 to 2/3 of the asking.
Holisitically there is something very wrong. A case and a movement in that condition should be paired with a good original dial. There should be no reason to re-dial a watch that came out of that case... Call it spidey senses if you like.
I would not touch this watch with a barge pole.
This is a useful check:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?ite...n=classicwristwatches&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1
It's the seller's history. We have one original watch and another redial. Both beautifully photographed, both heavily polished. Both waaaay overpriced.
You're paying a heavy premium for the seller's ability to take a photo.
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Porteroso
·The only other thing to add, is to inquire how many watches you are looking to buy. This is your first watch, but do you see yourself going down the rabbit hole? Might you add a second? A second often turns into a fourth at some point...
If it's to be your only watch, I'd buy a watch from the private seller forum here. Watches will be accurately described, and almost always fairly priced. I only say that because I'd want you to have a really nice watch to wear. Sorry I'm inserting my thoughts into your purchase, but for me, I'd buy something else.
If it's to be your only watch, I'd buy a watch from the private seller forum here. Watches will be accurately described, and almost always fairly priced. I only say that because I'd want you to have a really nice watch to wear. Sorry I'm inserting my thoughts into your purchase, but for me, I'd buy something else.
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johannes_climacu
·It’s a redial. And a typical black crosshair redial at that as black dials are uncommon yet popular so many dealers redial silver dials in black to increase their desirability with no care for how the watch looked originally.
I don’t care what the dealer says, This watch didn’t look like this when it was new. This model didn’t come with a black dial and white crosshair so it’s not a faithful restoration of what the watch looked like originally.
At best it looked like the watch below. But those dials tend to hold up fairly well and even in a deteriorated state they carry a premium so I’d wager good money it didn’t even look like this but was a standard silver dial.
As Dan says, a redial is never a good watch. A significant portion of the monetary and collectible value of a vintage watch is in the dial. When it’s redialed, that value is practically zero.
You're description of "faithful restoration" makes a lot of sense to me, and I didn't realize this one wasn't an example of that. Thank you for pointing that out.
I also didn't know that I should be checking a forum like this for watches for sale, and I had based my search entirely on eBay and local shops. The De Ville mentioned upthread is very nice, and I am going to give it serious consideration. I had been looking for something with the Seamaster font, but if my experience with the vintage bike is any indicator, maybe this will (eventually) be my first watch and not my last watch.
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Davidt
·it’s not hard to find a 60’s Seamaster in very good condition. If patina isn’t your thing you do not have to accept it. You can relatively easily find a nice seamaster in great condition with a sharp original case and very good/mint original dial.
The issue comes if you want a black dial as 1) these were much less common in the 60’s and 2) they are often slightly more prone to aging than their silver dials counterparts.
I only wear vintage watches. Seamaster, Speedmasters, Heuers. I wear them every single day and 9 out of 10 of my watches have dials you’d think were made last year.
The issue comes if you want a black dial as 1) these were much less common in the 60’s and 2) they are often slightly more prone to aging than their silver dials counterparts.
I only wear vintage watches. Seamaster, Speedmasters, Heuers. I wear them every single day and 9 out of 10 of my watches have dials you’d think were made last year.
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·Is important how much would you like to pay- black dial in good great condition will be more expensive vs white or silver
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFThere's a thread with a lot of 165.002 dial variants here too btw: https://omegaforums.net/threads/let...ster-companion-technic-technical-dials.85684/
Even aside from the dial the case is very polished as well and has lost the sharp edges a 165.002 should have. Some nice original and sharp 166.002s have gone for sale recently on the recommended thread for $500-700 with a black technical crosshairs dial going for $900 in mint condition last year, far better choices and they come along quite a bit as the 166.002/165.002 is a common watch made in large numbers.
Even aside from the dial the case is very polished as well and has lost the sharp edges a 165.002 should have. Some nice original and sharp 166.002s have gone for sale recently on the recommended thread for $500-700 with a black technical crosshairs dial going for $900 in mint condition last year, far better choices and they come along quite a bit as the 166.002/165.002 is a common watch made in large numbers.
