Interesting Helvetia Watches

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Hi, nice watch.

2021P is the case number. I have records of 10 watches in 2021 case from 1938 to 1950, I own 3. I think yours is late 40s. The design changed slightly over the years. If you have the serial number from inside the case back I can date it more accurately for you.

Normally these have a cal 81 or 82 in them but they could have an 80C. The 80C was used from the mid 40s to the mid 50s.

Have a look at my site for more info:

https://www.helvetiahistory.co.uk/

Here is a pic of my 1938 example.



Thanks. Carl.
 
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2021P is the case number. I have records of 10 watches in 2021 case from 1938 to 1950, I own 3. I think yours is late 40s. The design changed slightly over the years. If you have the serial number from inside the case back I can date it more accurately for you.

Normally these have a cal 81 or 82 in them but they could have an 80C. The 80C was used from the mid 40s to the mid 50s.

Ah cool, I'll try and take a look for the serial number. Are the case backs easy to get back on without tools? I don't have a press so I would be reattaching it with just my hands.

Lovely watch you have there and great work on the website. So much good information on there.

That is nice, very similar case design to those called "calatrava" (I'll show 2 of mine below).
Is it a steel case?

The case back says stainless steel. I'll have to recheck the case body.
 
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Ah cool, I'll try and take a look for the serial number. Are the case backs easy to get back on without tools? I don't have a press so I would be reattaching it with just my hands.

Lovely watch you have there and great work on the website. So much good information on there.



The case back says stainless steel. I'll have to recheck the case body.

I haven't needed to use a press to replace the backs on any of mine. I would caution with regards to getting the back off. You should use a proper case opening tool and it's still easy to slip. Don't want to teach you to suck eggs but wouldn't want you to mark your lovely watch either!

The case is almost certainly chrome plated. They did use completely stainless steel cases in the 1930s but then not again until the late 50s/60s.
 
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In terms of a purist piece, this one is pretty pure...lol


Get this: ~85 years old, appears to have never been serviced and still keeps bang-on time. A true draw / barn find. This was one of first vintage watches I purchased @ a vintage shop in the Berkshires. Must be 15 or 16 years gone by now. I paid $65 and felt like I got ripped off a bit (at the time).

Long story, boring: Turns out it's Platinum. But, possibly a re-case. But, maybe not. I took her on a trip to Miami with me a few years ago to ask Matt Bain if he knew anything about it. Right away, he offered to buy it so I knew there was something unique about such a ubiquitous watch.

I can put his watch head next to ANY watch head in the world and It holds its own. The dial is almost flawless and you never see me use such flowery rhetoric to describe any of my watches on this forum. Nope, not a re-dial.

Thanks for looking!

Hi all,

I have just picked up a watch with the same unusual case as @citizenrich. Very thin bezel and fixed lugs.



These watches initially look as if they belong in the 1920s or 1930s but the serial numbers put his at about 1945 and mine at 1948, the dials and movement also support these dates. Helvetia did have a habit of coming up with designs of watches that don't always seem to fit with the expected for the period.

Interestingly the watch came with box and tags and there was an interesting note on the back of the box. It looks as if the watch was sent to Elco Clock and Watch Co in London for retail and after a bit more digging I found that it seems Elco imported Helvetia watches in the 1940s and later in the 1950s you find quite a few Elco branded watches with Helvetia movements, especially automatics it seems.



Funny what rabbit holes you can get diverted down with this hobby.

Thanks. Carl.
 
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Lovely collection of Helvetias on this thread - I believe th diver on page one is actually a Nivada Depthomatic - would love to know if others have been spotted, as I have a keen interest in Nivada!

I picked this 831 powered beauty up recently as I am always keen on all-stainless watches. This example ticked so many boxes - 35mm, sunburst dial, simple case design and lovely aged lume on the dial and hands. I particularly like the shape of the lume difference between hour and minute so it could be read quicker - nice touch.

This interestingly had a 19mm lug size, which is a running joke for me as it seems everything I buy has this slightly awkward measurement that makes strap hunting a bit more of a task!





I'm going to be servicing this (with skilled guidance) next week so will post up some photos.
 
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Lovely collection of Helvetias on this thread - I believe th diver on page one is actually a Nivada Depthomatic - would love to know if others have been spotted, as I have a keen interest in Nivada!

I picked this 831 powered beauty up recently as I am always keen on all-stainless watches. This example ticked so many boxes - 35mm, sunburst dial, simple case design and lovely aged lume on the dial and hands. I particularly like the shape of the lume difference between hour and minute so it could be read quicker - nice touch.

This interestingly had a 19mm lug size, which is a running joke for me as it seems everything I buy has this slightly awkward measurement that makes strap hunting a bit more of a task!





I'm going to be servicing this (with skilled guidance) next week so will post up some photos.

Hello @Spinakerr

Nice watch you have there!

Yes, the case on the Helvetia Depthomatic is the same as the Nivada, they even have an erased Nivada engraving on the inside case back.

There is a thread here: https://omegaforums.net/threads/vintage-depth-gauge-watches.58505/#post-1307198

Thanks. Carl.
 
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Hello everyone
and I just found this beautiful watch for sale that I intended to purchase. I don’t know to much about this particular Pilot watch and I will very much appreciate any kind option about it. I’m wondering if the watch, dial, hands, crown, etch are original to this particular model. I’ve seen a lots of those watches but in a totally different case, like a pocket watch type case.

Hello Doreen, can I ask why you are deleting all of your images in this thread?

Thanks.
 
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Hello, here is my example of Helvetia from 1941. Comments are welcome 😀
 
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Hello Jura, nice to see you. I'm sure people would be interested to hear the story of how you came by this watch in the condition it's in.

Thanks. Carl.
 
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Just though I'd add to the Helvetia threads here that I have finished an update to the page on my site on the history of the Société d’Horlogerie La Générale and Helvetia and you can find it here:

https://www.helvetiahistory.co.uk/history

One of the most surprising things I found is that the Montres Helvetia S.A. that is around at the moment is not a modern relaunch but isn't the Helvetia that grew from La Generale either. It is actually Montres Silvana S.A. that took over the Helvetia name in 1973 when they were both part of SGT and as such has been around since 1923.

Nice to see one of the old companies still exists even with a name change!

Thanks. Carl.
 
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Hello, after a long time, here I am again with pictures of Helvetia, which I have already shown, but now also with a picture of the watch movement. Please, if possible, a detailed description of that watch. Thank you