In for a penny, in for a pound

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This thread came at a good time for me. I am always a sucker for a basketcase, but a few of you putting the $$ next to what you had to get done to rectify your 'bargains' is bring the message home for me.

A few ways the scenario plays out for me:
1. Don't do it
2. Do it. Eyes wide open, understanding the delayed costs, and carefully planning its rebuild while keeping to a pre-determined budget
3. Do it. Can't afford the parts or labour, goes into the drawer with the rest of your "I'll fix it one days"
4. Learn how to tinker within your abilities and only choose project watches within those abilities
5. Fall in love with the basketcase, drop all the $$ it needs to revive, but don't create a spreadsheet of costs (this is how my car projects run), enjoy it at the other end with no regrets and the dollar pain a distant memory
#2 is always the way I try to steer new collectors. Know it’s gonna need at best a full service, at worst a full rebuild, possibly with long NLA parts. If we get lucky and the thing runs out of the box and keeps going for years- bully. But that’s the exception and not the rule.
 
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#2 is always the way I try to steer new collectors. Know it’s gonna need at best a full service, at worst a full rebuild, possibly with long NLA parts. If we get lucky and the thing runs out of the box and keeps going for years- bully. But that’s the exception and not the rule.

Great advice. My first Omega needs a full rebuild... I think I will get a decent runner just to keep my spirits up.

As for NLA, I'm learning these for the 321 at the moment.
 
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Some $cary stories. How about this one with a cheap happy ending.



Eska purchased on ebay with a pile of sh*t for $15. Turns out it is an 18K case. Nice ETA movement but didn't run. Ran it through the cleaner and turned out to run ok. Swapped out the crystal and made my own female spring bars (painful). 3.5 hrs of my life to make a $350 (scrap value) into a $350 watch. Still pretty cool.
 
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Eska is a grapevine disease BTW. I know because it is in my field of study. Anyhoo, I also have this one at rolliworks and I know it is not going to be cheap. 1959 36mm Air King 5504. 1530 with original butterfly rotor. Been on the hunt for one for a long time.
 
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Nice! Who made the bracelet!
The bracelet is a vintage Wittnauer bracelet that was made by JB Champion. From what I've seen on similar examples, this was one of the original bracelets offered with this reference.
 
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You are a brave man! This is well beyond my meager collection. 😀
Edit: I like the yachting chronograph. Post when the new bezel arrives!
So update on the yachting Luxor- bezel arrived, same style (Yema/Chronosport style) same inner and outer

But alas it’s not the right height and a different construction.

I thought maybe I could just swap out the insert- the original insert popped right out with a push from behind (pressure fit)

But the new bezel doesn’t actually have an insert- it’s one piece with the graphics applied


Ugh! So close!!


So in the parts bin this goes (no returns for my error) and $230 in the money pit that is this watch.
…anyone need a nice NOS yachting bezel? Or anyone for a 37.5x31 yachting insert? 🤦
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I may have one that will fit, can you send me dimensions? Is it hitting the crystal? I collect Yema (those bezels are not Yema btw). The Yachtingraf (9312) has the same bezel as the Superman but they milled some material from the inner edge of the insert on the chronographs because the larger crystal.

Also pertinent to this thread: I have a non Yema bezel that came on one of my 9312s and it has an insert like the one in you last pic (autavia style). I replaced it with a NOS Bakelite Yachtingraf bezel which cost a fortune. It is in the top pic as I got it. I have to strip the hands of paint, repaint, source new subdial seconds hand (I have a counter hand) and then relume dial and hands + movement t service.
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Interesting. I assumed it was like the Yema but it clearly isn’t. The seller has a bunch of them NOS (looks like he is a watchmaker clearing out his parts stash) and he had these pics showing what it fits



So I assumed (the operative wordc ass-u-me) that it was the same fit, and it is not.
My bezel insert is 31-I x 37.5-O. I can measure the whole bezel if that helps. The new one won’t seat below the lip on the case even without the tension spring- it sat high- just below the level of the crystal, but has a gap between the case and bottom of bezel- so my bezel is actually a little taller. Plus the new bezel has a solid mechanized bevel inside and markings are directly applied to the metal (screened on I assume) and the factory bezel for my watch is just flat under the insert and snaps in.
All I truly need is the correct insert. My bezel is in nice shape, just the bezel insert is trashed.

Would love to do a swap if you have the one I need and I have what you need
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MtV MtV
Thank you @JwRosenthal , I feel much better now 😁

I can definitely relate. One of my projects as an example:



I'm a fan of this kind of patina and it was offered to me for ~1100€ if I remember correctly. Doesn't sound too bad for a pretty sharp, black pie pan dogleg Constellation if it just needs a tiny bit of work? Well.

It needed:
-the correct flat foot thin decagonal crown (50€)
-a new plexi (it was cracked) (50€)
-a correct second hand (20€)
-aaaaand a cal. 551, as, unfortunately, it came with a non-COSC-552. (200€):


It didn't stop there, though. I liked the case - it had obviously been worn, but the lugs were pretty sharp. Except the top right lug was more worn than the others and, most of all, had a major ding. At about that time I got to know a case restorer who offered to fix just this part of the case and I figured great, good opportunity to give this a try.
Of course, on the way to him, the parcel with the case got lost. At least I had kept the case back... So, the search for a spare case began. I ended up finding a 168.005 case, which should've been identical, or so I thought. 500€ later I found out that there were minute differences between the products of different case manufacturers, and my 167.005 caseback wouldn't actually fit. The search continued, I found another case (400€) and finally got the watch assembled and serviced (300€).

In the end, the total came to ca. 2220€ and it took a year or so until all the parts were sourced and I had the finished product:


Luckily, the insurance paid for the lost case, and the costs for some of the spare parts were comparably cheap because I had them anyway/due to the help of some generous fellow OF-users. Still, the initial invest was roughly the purchase price of the watch itself.

I'm not regretting this in any way, and often the process is actually quite fun. But I guess this thread is definitely one that we should link to every now and then when someone joins, asks about a watch and figures "I'll just need a new hand, a crown and a new bezel".

That'll learn ya. I would have popped on the bracelet and worn the watch as-found 😁
 
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I have a 50 year old Longines Admiral 5 star 'C' case that didn’t work properly after I bought it but I like it sufficiently to want to keep it and get it going.

My repairer told me that he couldn’t find the part he needed for the 6651 movement (apparently Longines don’t have parts). and, on impulse, I’ve bought what purports to be a working movement for more than I expected to spend.

I just wanted the one part but couldn’t find it. The seller accepts returns but I’m hoping that the part is in sufficiently good condition.

My repairer says that apart from the date issue, and for that I need the missing part, the watch works well.

Fingers crossed!
 
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I have a 50 year old Longines Admiral 5 star 'C' case that didn’t work properly after I bought it but I like it sufficiently to want to keep it and get it going.

My repairer told me that he couldn’t find the part he needed for the 6651 movement (apparently Longines don’t have parts). and, on impulse, I’ve bought what purports to be a working movement for more than I expected to spend.

I just wanted the one part but couldn’t find it. The seller accepts returns but I’m hoping that the part is in sufficiently good condition.

My repairer says that apart from the date issue, and for that I need the missing part, the watch works well.

Fingers crossed!
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Here’s one of mine:

60’s Seamaster DeVille ref 166.020 with unusual grey dial
Bought for £500
Correct NOS hands £72
New crystal £72
Full service £450
New crown £included
Mint BoR bracelet £220

Before


After
I say this one CLEARLY worth every penny!! Beauty!!
 
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It’s this one. I have two black dials, but this is the only white/silver dial. The black dials work fine. They’re extremely comfortable and slim monocoque watches.

I'll update once it’s sorted.

 
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This one was a bit of a saga, sunk-cost fallacy sums it up very well.
Picked up this 4005 7000, paid way too much but thought it could be saved.



Dial was a little to badly damaged, oh well, into "the draw" it goes. £125.
Until this pops up.



Game on! £47
Decided it deserved a better case, I had a good spare white dialled 4005 and would end up with a nice grey bellmatic and a white beater. £125



Off to my favourite watchmaker. Sorted.
Watchmaker recommends that I use the donor movement as it's in much better shape, who am I to argue. All's good.
Disaster! Some past numpty watchmaker has ballsed up the hands, the hour hand is actually glued on.
There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Enabling watchmaker gives me quick pep talk and I come to the conclusion the best way forward is to buy a shedload of broken and damaged seikos in the hope of finding a match. Really should have pulled the plug at this point but sod it, off we go...



Not even close £26



Closer but negatory £31



Oh so so close £59



Bingo!
£48

All put together



I think the alarm bezel and second hand are looking pretty sweet. 😉
 
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This one was a bit of a saga, sunk-cost fallacy sums it up very well.
Picked up this 4005 7000, paid way too much but thought it could be saved.



Dial was a little to badly damaged, oh well, into "the draw" it goes. £125.
Until this pops up.



Game on! £47
Decided it deserved a better case, I had a good spare white dialled 4005 and would end up with a nice grey bellmatic and a white beater. £125



Off to my favourite watchmaker. Sorted.
Watchmaker recommends that I use the donor movement as it's in much better shape, who am I to argue. All's good.
Disaster! Some past numpty watchmaker has ballsed up the hands, the hour hand is actually glued on.
There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Enabling watchmaker gives me quick pep talk and I come to the conclusion the best way forward is to buy a shedload of broken and damaged seikos in the hope of finding a match. Really should have pulled the plug at this point but sod it, off we go...



Not even close £26



Closer but negatory £31



Oh so so close £59



Bingo!
£48

All put together



I think the alarm bezel and second hand are looking pretty sweet. 😉
This is the way to do it! Throw a wad of money in the air and say fυck it- let’s make it happen!
 
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I was just cleaning out one of my watch drawers and tidying up the mess of crap that gets shoved in the back. Found a couple envelopes I forgot was even back there



Forgotten straps


Ugh.
 
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I was just cleaning out one of my watch drawers and tidying up the mess of crap that gets shoved in the back. Found a couple envelopes I forgot was even back there.

Some of you guys have amazing drawers of project watches. I had to look up Wyler watches as I want familiar with them. Very interesting history.
 
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Some of you guys have amazing drawers of project watches. I had to look up Wyler watches as I want familiar with them. Very interesting history.
Wyler is one of my fav’s- the one in the pile was donated by a nice member here for parts to save another.
 
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Wow, this is better than a makeover from the Oprah show! Fabulous before and after
Here’s one of mine:

60’s Seamaster DeVille ref 166.020 with unusual grey dial
Bought for £500
Correct NOS hands £72
New crystal £72
Full service £450
New crown £included
Mint BoR bracelet £220

Before


After