I'm dumbfounded. How in the hell does Seiko pull it off?

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No worries, and thanks for clearing up your initial quartz statement, I just wanted to make it clear that there was no disagreement with you that the quartz regulation is a key factor...if you look through my posts on this thread I never ever stated that the Spring Drive was not a quartz based watch, I was just trying to flesh out the definition of Mechanical-Quartz...got there in the end...but it was bit of an awkward effort.馃槈


Hey, this is fun!馃槣馃榿
If you are going to quote me please do so in total.

Have fun
-kfw
 
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I am still waiting on my 'Sea Urchin' ordered quite some time ago. It's waiting for me at home when I return from this current business trip in 2 weeks. I look forward to seeing the level of Seiko quality/finishing for myself. Part of the attraction was the simple fact that if it stops working after 5 years, I can throw it out and get a new one for less than the cost of service... seems like a good hard-core 'beater' watch to me.

I used to think of my Exp II as my wear-everywhere-for-everything watch, but after spending ~$1500 USD on replacing the crystal/dial/hands when it fell on a ceramic tile floor, I'm ready for a true 'throw-away' watch.
 
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This was about seiko...right?
Here are mine. Quick and dirty. Mostly modern. Put up or shut up.

Have fun...wear more than one.

-kfw
 
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I thought my initial statement was pretty clear...

"And of course spring drive is a quartz watch, so although it's an awkward quartz watch, the accuracy is not bad for quartz but certainly not the best."

Yep...seems clear to me, but YMMV...

Cheers, Al

Oh dear...I was just trying to help out any OF newcomers to the Grand Seiko world, who might have stumbled on this thread.

IMO this would have been perfect, but you certainly deserve a "10 for industry" for your initial effort馃憤:
"And of course the spring drive is a quartz based watch, so although it's a specific type of mechanical driven quartz watch, HAQ level performance was not the design focus for Seiko".

Note I substituted "awkward"...showing some sensitivity to any proud Spring Drive owners who might have stumbled on this thread and dearly love their Snowflake...then again we are all grown men and women and if someone does not appreciate your toy, well there is no need to sulk if they vocalize their indifference.

Getting back on topic馃檮

I don't own any Seiko divers but I am thinking of getting a PADI diver some time in the future...just saw this version on ABTW. Looks quite nice, but I suppose some will question the possible Rolex inspired blue black gradient dial (Seadweller D-blue influence).

Additional info here:
https://www.ablogtowatch.com/seiko-prospex-special-edition-padi-spb071j1-watch/
 
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Coincidentally, I happen to be wearing my BFK again today.

(It鈥檚 quartz. 馃槈)
Quartz?馃檨

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Looks gorgeous mate馃憤
 
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Oh dear...I was just trying to help out any OF newcomers to the Grand Seiko world, who might have stumbled on this thread.

IMO this would have been perfect, but you certainly deserve a "10 for industry" for your initial effort馃憤:
"And of course the spring drive is a quartz based watch, so although it's a specific type of mechanical driven quartz watch, HAQ level performance was not the design focus for Seiko".

I'm sure the poor souls who stumbled upon my post are very thankful for your noble intervention. Maybe I should have you check all my posts before I make them from now on, so as not to confuse and mislead the masses here? 馃檮
 
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I'm sure the poor souls who stumbled upon my post are very thankful for your noble intervention. Maybe I should have you check all my posts before I make them from now on, so as not to confuse and mislead the masses here? 馃檮
I can't keep up...you are too prolific in your output! I promise to endeavour to the best of my efforts...I've got your back馃憤
 
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...I used to own a Series 3 Jaguar VDP with a V12, inboard brakes, and Lucas electrics...sometimes the love of an object is simply not rational...





Colour was "silver birch" and I really loved this car...but not the repair bills...

Cheers, Al[/QUOTE]

My uncle owned one of these beauties. He bragged that on a drive from Montreal to Toronto it only caught fire 3 times...!!!
 
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I have a different perspective...

Finishing on lower end stuff is pretty much non-existent, but yes the high end watches are on par with mid-tier Swiss brands like Rolex and Omega.

If you are "regulating" these to within a "few seconds in 4 or 5 positions" can you explain exactly what that means? If you mean getting positional variation (Delta) of a few seconds over 5 positions on a consistent basis, well I would love to know your secret, because that is not my experience at all.

Pretty much any watch can be made to run at zero gain or loss "while flat" - I take this to mean in one position. And of course spring drive is a quartz watch, so although it's an awkward quartz watch, the accuracy is not bad for quartz but certainly not the best.

When I think of Seiko I think of cheap materials, soft screws, low amplitude, and poor timekeeping on the lower end. On the high end I think of better finishing but still low amplitude, better timekeeping, but often overly complex ways of doing what should be simple things.

How do they do it? Offshore production in low wage countries and volume mostly, along with controlling the supply chain by being vertically integrated. Also they don't spend a lot on supporting the products far into the future like other brands do, so they don't spend money keeping parts around for decades.

Cheers, Al
He said mid to high end I have A lot of Seiko's only 1 that's slow a King Seiko front loaded doubt it has been serviced my Grand Seiko has not lost a full minute in 4 months I owned it is on a winder. Spring Drive has a quartz capacitor But its far from Quartz watch look it up, at the time its the most accurate watch on the planet Mid-tier omega or Rolex geez are you a hater or what? I love my Omegas I don't have a Rolex but all my friends that do say oh they are pretty but inaccurate that would not stop me from buying one but I will buy spring drive first. I will agree with the lower tier watches made in crappy countries Seiko can keep I won't buy unless it says made in Japan. Grand Seiko is now its own company and Gunning for the Swiss competition Right now I would rate them better to the mid-tier Swiss Like Omega and Rolex
 
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He said mid to high end I have A lot of Seiko's only 1 that's slow a King Seiko front loaded doubt it has been serviced my Grand Seiko has not lost a full minute in 4 months I owned it is on a winder. Spring Drive has a quartz capacitor But its far from Quartz watch look it up, at the time its the most accurate watch on the planet Mid-tier omega or Rolex geez are you a hater or what? I love my Omegas I don't have a Rolex but all my friends that do say oh they are pretty but inaccurate that would not stop me from buying one but I will buy spring drive first. I will agree with the lower tier watches made in crappy countries Seiko can keep I won't buy unless it says made in Japan. Grand Seiko is now its own company and Gunning for the Swiss competition Right now I would rate them better to the mid-tier Swiss Like Omega and Rolex

Last time I checked the most accurate watch was the movement in the quartz marine chronometer from Omega circa @72? Or some of the newer thermo compensated quartz at 1-2 or 5s a year

The spring drive is a few seconds a month.