I'll bet they're lookin' for $100k.

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Theyre certainly not rounded like these, from speedmaster101...



Though for me, an easier tell is whether they're convex or not (along the length). Hard to say for sure in these pics. In some they look flat, in others curved.. I'd have to see better pics or in the hand to be more sure.

 
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I’m not sure about the lume. It looks too consistent in colour to me.



I don't know why you guys keep on harping on the lume color.
It looks absolutely original to me.
It shows degradation and aging (black-is/mold-ish) color at some spots typical to Speedmasters of the period.

The lollipop hand lume shows a bit of sheen/glossiness which could suggest it has either been completely re-done, or stabilized at some point.
However the dial lume looks 100% to me.
 
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I don't know why you guys keep on harping on the lume color.
It looks absolutely original to me.
It shows degradation and aging (black-is/mold-ish) color at some spots typical to Speedmasters of the period.

The lollipop hand lume shows a bit of sheen/glossiness which could suggest it has either been completely re-done, or stabilized at some point.
However the dial lume looks 100% to me.


Totally agree re: the aging. My concern would be that the plots started as light puke green or light yellow, whitish, and were darkened. Wouldn't affect the blackening, molding that had already occurred. May be a bit of tin hat situation, but just figured id put that out there.
 
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Remember that these are radium.. These are the watches relumers are trying to emulate.
 
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My concern would be that the plots started as light puke green or light yellow, whitish, and were darkened.
Those are pretty strong assumptions... 🙄
 
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I don't know why you guys keep on harping on the lume color.
It looks absolutely original to me.
It shows degradation and aging (black-is/mold-ish) color at some spots typical to Speedmasters of the period.

The lollipop hand lume shows a bit of sheen/glossiness which could suggest it has either been completely re-done, or stabilized at some point.
However the dial lume looks 100% to me.
I take your point.
 
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Hands look the same as mine, and I know mine is a Bobby dazzler 👍
Not messed around with at all.
 
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Like @ndgal says on first looks it looks ok

Funny to see how the tread drifts to guessing and believing....
to judge the lume correct you need a strong UV light which can show u traces of a possible relume job and a geiger counter.

If one is in the game for it, i am sure he knows what to check
 
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Like @ndgal says on first looks it looks ok

Funny to see how the tread drifts to guessing and believing....
to judge the lume correct you need a strong UV light which can show u traces of a possible relume job and a geiger counter.

If one is in the game for it, i am sure he knows what to check
Agree. Any real buyer for this watch will have it inspected in hand first.
When I recently bought my 2915-3 I flew up to see it in hand first with geiger counter, UV light, X20 Loupe and all...
 
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Hands look the same as mine, and I know mine is a Bobby dazzler 👍
Not messed around with at all.

Fantastic Bobby that. So what appears to be the lesson (for me at least) in this thread (and prior observation) is that original hands on these may have a slight variation on the ‘flatness’ and ‘roundness’ of the lume inserts between hour and minute hands 👍
 
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Looks pretty original imho but I don't know why... I somehow don't like this for a reason...
 
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Looks pretty original imho but I don't know why... I somehow don't like this for a reason...

BANG!

Hit the nail on the head.

This is a watch that ticks all the boxes and has all the right parts, so that if you were told about it over the phone then you would think it is really interesting.

For me, (I stress for me, others will have other opinions), this watch is a bit "dry". I do not know how else to describe the feeling it gives me. Or to put it another way, the watch seems to have little appeal after the initial wonder of a BASE1000 and a lollipop.

The immediate assault to my eyes is the troweled lume on the lollipop, which is a strong colour and too close to the rest of the lume on the watch to look natural. In fact I have seen this watch before and the lollipop was quite green - I assume radium, and it also looked unattractive, (bogie green) but was possibly original. The rest of the hands are possibly early service items. Certainly if a watch wants to be justified in asking full price I expect triangle lume on the alpha and more authentic looking subdial hands. As others have said these Subdial hands dont ring true.

The rest of the watch does ring true, albeit not desirably. So not desirable at the money that is suggested is being asked

If the OP watch is selling for $40,000 then that is interesting. At $100,000 it is in my humble opinion, ahead of the market - but I do not blame them for asking. After all, as the old saying goes, find me another

With watches of this value, if it does not immediately make me go "ooh thats nice I want it" then I look for reasons why not. First I listen to my inner voice, my intuition, and then look for reasons. I know others do it the other way around - each to his own. With this watch, each time I saw it, or looked at photos, I liked it less. I am not trying to be offensive, just saying that in this rarefied atmosphere of $100k speedmasters that thing you are going to swap all that money for has got to make you go weak at the knees.

There is a new breed of buyer coming into high end speedmasters, and they need the boxes ticking. This will go to them.

It takes no kind of genius to see the difference in the micheal e watch and this watch.

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I wouldn't recognise a "good" 2998-1 if it kicked me up the arse, but I know which one is attractive to me.😕 (edited)

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I wouldn't recognise a "good" 2998-1 if it kicked me up the arse, but I know what is attractive.😕


To me aside from the rest of what been discussed the difference in photo technique between these two makes the difference for me. The ewc watch, to me has been photographed poorly and in a poor lighting setup whereas the right hand watch is properly lit and at an angle that accentuates the dial and hand features.

Lovely watches, am definitely not in the market but would love to know what ewc are asking and finally receive...

Edit I think the lefthand watch picture has had the contrast turned way up to try and showoff the lume colouring so would be inyerintere to see it in real life/a proper sunlight photo.
 
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This is a really interesting thread on perception of "beauty". I'm not into Speedmasters (or any chronometer) so looking at @nonuffinkbloke comparison picture the watch on left appears to me to have a dial in better condition, and closer to the watch's original appearance decades ago.The one on the right has a degraded dial (brown color). Also, the EWC watch is lit from above and below for the photographs. So the flat polished surfaces, such as the hands and logo appear black. I personally wouldn't call this lighting setup as been "poor", just different.
 
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After reading your posts @Deafboy & @isaac.owen.nz I decided to edit my comment. Yes, I suppose attraction is a personal thing.👍...... but I'm still more drawn to Michael's watch. Maybe I've developed a bias toward brown dial Speedmasters???😕
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Looks right to me but I don’t know this caliber in depth. Generally as far as radium dials go The lume age appearance seems appropriate.
 
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After reading your posts @Deafboy & @isaac.owen.nz I decided to edit my comment. Yes, I suppose attraction is a personal thing.👍...... but I'm still more drawn to Michael's watch. Maybe I've developed a bias toward brown dial Speedmasters???😕

I get the appeal for the brown/tropical dials, I've seen some incredible examples around!
For me the black on white with yellow of a good tritium dial is just perfect!
Plus the brown always reminds me of that forgettable brown car era, being a car guy.

N.b i googled brown car for a pic and apparently brown is making a comeback in car paint.
When will we learn from our mistakes!!!!!!!
 
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Indeed it is.
All the completely horrible Aston Martin colours (Harvest Gold anyone?) are coming back as buyers tire of Silver, or BRG.or even the Aston green.