I hate car dealerships!!! *warning* Long rant.

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I was shocked when talking to a room full of engineers. NONE of them checked their own tire pressures. When the light comes on, they go get in line at the tire shop 馃槻
, I'm not surprised at all. Mechanical engineers are probably the most inclined to do so, though. Maybe Civils after that. But an EE? No way -- they just want a sensor to send them data saying pressures are low, and they'll leave the physical labor part of it to others 馃榿

You've probably seen at Porsche Club events where many who are new to auto-x, DEs, etc. pretty much know nothing about checking their tire pressures, or the importance with respect to maximizing grip for handling.
 
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, I'm not surprised at all. Mechanical engineers are probably the most inclined to do so, though. Maybe Civils after that. But an EE? No way -- they just want a sensor to send them data saying pressures are low, and they'll leave the physical labor part of it to others 馃榿

EE's, and you forgot "software engineers"....馃槈
 
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Pretty sure a mechanical engineer who works for the EPA has that level of knowledge or access to a coworker who does. More than likely (having met the author) he simply wrote it in layman's terms on his lunch break.
This reminds me that a fellow inspector used to be a lead engineer for US DOT, and he was involved in many different studies related to vehicle safety and stability systems. I'm curious enough to shoot him an email and see if they ever studied this.
 
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EE's, and you forgot "software engineers"....馃槈
I didn't forget -- I do not consider them engineers
 
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Hey! I am a software engineer...


And the sad part is I agree with you 馃檨 95% ain't engineers. Most of the stuff I did when I was writing software, I could have done it when I was in high school...
And if you want to lower the bar a bit more: "embedded system engineer"... No wonder why cars are so full of bugs or spacecrafts crash on Mars.


Is it? I bet 99.9999% of the time they send the customer off with underinflated tires since nitrogen doesn't expand when hot like air (never mind the fact that the air is 78% nitrogen to begin with). Racing applications are completely different....known temps, race distance and other variables. Just another scam....

Very good info here if you want to go down the rabbit hole.

https://www.mojotiretools.com/N2_for_tires_FAQ.htm
I disagree with the "real" reason for race car to use nitrogen. It does as its benefits. Pressure are low but temps are high, above what the curve shows.. At those high temps it is likely that oxygen reacts with the compound, reducing the pressure and the compound performance. Also, Nitrogen is significantly more stable to heat. It may be only a 1% difference against air at ambiant temp (20掳C) but it is 10% at race temp (80-110掳C)
But as you said, it is a very different application. Nitrogen for road usage is.. meh.


@Alphasports I think they get it all right: who needs front brake when you do not have a front wheel? 馃槜

Don't even let me start on it. VAG group is saying that oil consumption on 2.0 TFSI are within the specs, if engine is consuming............ 1qt of oil per 2500 miles..I
You should go to Mazda... With an RX-7, at least you know why it's consuming that much oil (plus that sound馃グ)
Or old Alfas... but you'll get high fuel consumption too 馃榿 (but that Busso sound 馃グ馃グ)


edit @redpcar You would be suprised by how manu engineers have no idea about how other things work... Before going to "shop" mechanics (not sure how to write it in english), my brother worked in motorsport, mostly to operate private cars. He worked with F1, WRC, Dakar, Pikes Peak... Some of them have won several world titles. The worst were the F1 people: they could perfectly explain the part for which they were responsible, but have no idea how the whole thing was working together or why they were asked to do this instead of that... In the end, only a very few key people in F1 understand the whole picture. Others are experts in their field and do not care about the rest
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My brother in law is a civil engineer. I taught him how to change his oil, rotate tires, change filters and change his brakes.

I鈥檓 an accountant but I enjoy working on vehicles.

So I pretty much avoid dealerships unless it鈥檚 catastrophic
 
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My brother in law is a civil engineer. I taught him how to change his oil, rotate tires, change filters and change his brakes.
Out of 6 CEs here at my business only one (me) knows how to do any of that stuff. And I did not learn any of it until I was around 30 years old (my dad was an accountant, at least initially, and he did NOT enjoy working on anything mechanical). We have one ME here, and he is pretty good with automotive DIY as well.

My newest car is 16 years old, so I'm not big on dealerships. My wife's SUV is ~5 years old now, and we use the dealership for most things, which have really only been tire rotation, oil changes, cabin filter changes, etc. She knows better then to wait until I get around to doing the maintenance 馃榿
 
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Here in Australia, every diesel-powered vehicle must have a DCF, diesel particulate filter, essentially a thing that traps the nasty stuff then burns it off at hight temperature, allegedly. Toyota stuffed it up big time, class action now ongoing, going to cost them millions. I purchased two, both had significant problems. Toyota just said piss off, there is no problem.
 
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Here in Australia, every diesel-powered vehicle must have a DCF, diesel particulate filter, essentially a thing that traps the nasty stuff then burns it off at hight temperature, allegedly. Toyota stuffed it up big time, class action now ongoing, going to cost them millions. I purchased two, both had significant problems. Toyota just said piss off, there is no problem.
Unfortunately that goes for the whole EU.
Gasoline cars have it also, called GPF.
Driving short distances with diesel and it will never get hot enough to burn clean properly, eventually clogging..
 
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I had to replace the front wheel bearings on my Seat Ibiza Cupra, they were too shot to drive to the dealer I trust (about 1.5 hours away), so I went to the local VW / Audi / Seat dealer as they had the press that could do the job on-site.

Total invoice was 1200.-, which I paid in cash and had to insist on a receipt.

I get it, drive it down the road and notice they didn't re-align the geometry, each time I accelerate or hit the brakes, the car pulls violently to one side. (it certainly was NOT like this when I dropped it off).

I turn around, go back to the dealer and tell them they forgot to do the alignment. They refuse saying that in the two minutes I had driven the car, I had obviously hit a pavement or a really bad pothole or something.

I push the issue, and they agree to re-align it for free, but just this once. I pick it up the next day and all is well.

A few weeks later I receive a letter saying the original 1200.- invoice hadn't been paid.

I have never, and will never, go back to that place. Nor will I ever buy a car from them.
 
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This reminds me that a fellow inspector used to be a lead engineer for US DOT, and he was involved in many different studies related to vehicle safety and stability systems. I'm curious enough to shoot him an email and see if they ever studied this.

I would be curious to hear his response if you can share it.
 
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I would be curious to hear his response if you can share it.
I have sent him an email; I should hear back from him within a few days. Since he is retired now he is not that concerned with regularly checking email.
 
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Turbos definitely consume oil, but that's about double the 'normal' consumption for a turbo motor in a sporty-ish car. I've kept a quart handy in my daily drivers for the last 30 years (a 2.0 turbo and a 2.5 turbo)
Yeah, I was shocked when they told me that. Modern engine in 21 century does what????馃が
 
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You should go to Mazda... With an RX-7, at least you know why it's consuming that much oil (plus that sound馃グ)
Or old Alfas... but you'll get high fuel consumption too 馃榿 (but that Busso sound 馃グ馃グ)
Hey @Lurk41 at least you have a unique to auto industry engine in RX7, RX8 - and rotary are consuming oil by the nature of it.
 
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The service advisors and mechanics get paid commission on the repairs so incentive is to find EVERYTHING.

My favorite thing to do: if I'm paying for new parts to be installed, I want the old ones back and I repeat it several times to the service advisor to let him know I'm not joking. Even got a quarter panel back for an FJ Cruiser one time to make sure I got a new part and not bondo.

My wife's daily driver is a Honda CRV (it's what she likes...so...). The first Honda dealer we went to, we agreed on a price, handshake, done. Right? Wrong. We sit down and find $250 clear coat added to the final sale. Wasn't on the sticker. Never part of the discussion. What's this? Salesman said we put a clearcoat on every car to protect the paint. (????) I said this was not even legal to do. It needs to be on the itemized window sticker not to magically appear buried on the bill of sale. I said take it off or no sale. Manager came in and said we can't take it off. (???) We magically went to a competing dealer down the road and bought the exact car without the special clearcoat.

A public service announcement. While I am not an authorized mechanic, I have several friends who are. Here is what you do when faced with a potentially large auto service issue: Ask the mechanic what he would do if it were his car. This is their kryptonite.

I could be wrong, but I think I found your car deal on the internet.

 
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I could be wrong, but I think I found your car deal on the internet.

Now I need to go watch the whole movie all over again, thanks...
 
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UPDATE***

The car is acting up again after about 8 or 9 days that the second dealership claimed bad gas. Same lights are flashing on the dash, same warning in the message center and acting funny (hesitation) It has not broken down but this is how it starts.

I phoned HondaUSA before doing anything and they opened a claim to decide on what to do about the car and see if a refund on service costs that I paid when I was away is warranted. They were very nice on the phone and made it seem like they are on my side......... not trying to be a Debby downer but I'm not holding my breath. In the mean time they instructed for the car to go back for repair again, which it will today and they promised a loaner for the time its in being serviced.

We have zero intentions on keeping this thing regardless so part of me hopes that it acts up again even after this repair so I can then claim Lemon Law and get more back than trade in haha.
 
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Do you have access to a code reader?