I don't understand the recent Rolex SS craze/shortage. What am I missing?

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STOP TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF ROLEX PRICES 😡😡😡 It’s simple supply, hype and demand but with the twist that some suppliers figure the craze will persist so they keep their watches overpriced 😁
 
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The Rolex Condrum. I thought about it many a time and it’s full of contradictions but I think the fault lies in the eye of the beholder.

Rolex are a not for profit, whatever that actually means, but you can safely assume that brand identity means more to the company than out and out profits. Look what happened to Burberry in the 2000s when the flooded the market, it became a chav haven and subsequently lists its cache. So how do you keep a strong brand identity in the luxury world, advertise massively, limit demand and charge more than the items true ‘worth’. This is how Rolex operate and very successfully.

And to a certain extent it keeps everyone happy, the ADs are happy as they can shift watches, people who get to buy the watch are happy as they are special, and Rolex are happy as they maintain there brand identity.

Omega might make just as good a watch but every other day, there is a thread asking will the old moon watch go up in value. The short answer is if there is supply that meets demand then no, Rolex’s increase because there isn’t the supply. A tiny part of the watches value is how well it tells the time, luxury items value is far more complicated than that.

Adding to the above, interest rates are at an all time low, people look to put there money into other areas, in Rolex’s traditional increase in value year on year then that’s a good investment.
 
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In the meantime, there are other interesting brands to put our hard-earned money on...
 
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In the meantime, there are other interesting brands to put our hard-earned money on...
On Monday I discovered the new Zenith El Primero Chronomaster Sport and smiled. Yes, it looks very much like a Daytona with the white dial and ceramic etc etc.... but, given the fact the El Primero movement was the first automatic movement in a Daytona I feel Zenith can pull it off.

There are already a few side by side photos and the Zenith just looks so fresh, funky and elegant all at the same time.

Rolex couldn't be arsed to cater for the masses by supplying what they produce, so up steps Zenith to sweep the cards off the table.

They are already calling it the Zentona 🤦
 
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On Monday I discovered the new Zenith El Primero Chronomaster Sport and smiled. Yes, it looks very much like a Daytona with the white dial and ceramic etc etc.... but, given the fact the El Primero movement was the first automatic movement in a Daytona I feel Zenith can pull it off.

There are already a few side by side photos and the Zenith just looks so fresh, funky and elegant all at the same time.

Rolex couldn't be arsed to cater for the masses by supplying what they produce, so up steps Zenith to sweep the cards off the table.

They are already calling it the Zentona 🤦

If we assume for argument's sake that Zenith was intentionally seeking to be as Daytona-like as possible:

-> it's odd that Zenith went with the split-second bezel rather than a tachy bezel; or
-> they went with a split-second bezel to not be too obvious in their intent?

Could just be that any chronograph with a black bezel and similar movement geometry (and so hand location) will look similar, and it's only because of Zenith's past is there any particular correlation noted.
 
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Rolex couldn't be arsed to cater for the masses by supplying what they produce, so up steps Zenith to sweep the cards off the

Not sure £8k is for the masses but get your point.
 
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If we assume for argument's sake that Zenith was intentionally seeking to be as Daytona-like as possible:

-> it's odd that Zenith went with the split-second bezel rather than a tachy bezel; or
-> they went with a split-second bezel to not be too obvious in their intent?

Could just be that any chronograph with a black bezel and similar movement geometry (and so hand location) will look similar, and it's only because of Zenith's past is there any particular correlation noted.
I believe they went with a split-second bezel to perhaps, pre-empt any argument with plausible deniability.

Making it enough of a different watch, larger case, chrono function while still appealing to the wanted hoards who covet a Daytona, all the while cashing in on those waiting in line for said Daytona. If 50 out of every 1000 people who want a Daytona purchased a Zentona, Zenith would sell tens of thousands of them.

I feel like I am convincing myself why I should want one..
 
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What is bizarre about the Rolex supply issue is that fuels the replica/fake market. A recently released Daytona fake is $700, which is crazy, but there are plenty of people who might buy a Daytona at RRP but would never pay the reseller price, it’s these people who are driven to alternatives and sadly one of the alternatives is a high priced fake.
 
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This video on the Hermes Birkin bag, IMO, explains Rolex Steel Sports watch availability.

Hermes and Rolex are using the same model, namely,

"You can't just walk into Hermes and get one. While there used to be a waitlist, nowadays, all you can do is hope to be important enough, or spend enough, to be offered a Birkin bag"

 
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This video on the Hermes Birkin bag, IMO, explains Rolex Steel Sports watch availability.

Hermes and Rolex are using the same model, namely,

"You can't just walk into Hermes and get one. While there used to be a waitlist, nowadays, all you can do is hope to be important enough, or spend enough, to be offered a Birkin bag"

Agree that Rolex is probably using the Hermes Brikin Bag method to great success, difference is, you can buy pretty much any other Hermes item on line or in a store, the same can not be said for Rolex.
 
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Agree that Rolex is probably using the Hermes Brikin Bag method to great success, difference is, you can buy pretty much any other Hermes item on line or in a store, the same can not be said for Rolex.

You can buy pretty much any Cellini or precious metal Rolex on-line or in a store. Sorry, I fail to see the distinction.
 
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You can buy pretty much any Cellini or precious metal Rolex on-line or in a store. Sorry, I fail to see the distinction.

And, there are actually many Hermès purses that can not be had easily; take it from a guy who just waded into that hellscape in search of [X] bag in [Y] colorway.
 
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Oliver Muller’s article about PP’s 5711 over at SJX presents a good rationale for why a brand would intentionally want to limit supply and increase demand: brand equity.
To paraphrase my takeaway, by building brand equity now, Rolex (or any other brand) can bank on being able to capture increased revenue due to the brand equity in the future by charging more than what would make sense for inflation and/or new tech.
https://watchesbysjx.com/2021/01/patek-philippe-nautilus-5711-1a-steel-discontinued.html
 
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You can buy pretty much any Cellini or precious metal Rolex on-line or in a store. Sorry, I fail to see the distinction.

I have seen two PM models in AD's in the last ten months and no Cellini examples save an early 00s' example in the estate section...online, yes, but in-person it's still a dice toss, at least in my region.
 
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Oliver Muller’s article about PP’s 5711 over at SJX presents a good rationale for why a brand would intentionally want to limit supply and increase demand: brand equity.
To paraphrase my takeaway, by building brand equity now, Rolex (or any other brand) can bank on being able to capture increased revenue due to the brand equity in the future by charging more than what would make sense for inflation and/or new tech.
https://watchesbysjx.com/2021/01/patek-philippe-nautilus-5711-1a-steel-discontinued.html


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If we need proof that Rolex benefits from the demand for its brand outstripping its regulated supply, as well as benefiting from the spectacle of the grey market, we need only note that Rolex is in fact doing it.

... watches are just a commodity and to that extent are basically worthless: if you need to tell time, look at your phone.

What is valuable is the Rolex brand, not the Rolex watches; and the brand value increases by having a segment of their business be this type of cultural phenomenon (for better and worse).

Nike does the same thing with its commodities: the bulk of its profits are from everyday dad shoes no one raises an eye about; but for the collectible shoe segment, with billion-dollar grey market sub-industries built around it, Nike purposefully makes far fewer pairs than demanded, and reaps the brand rewards.

The value of Rolex or Nike are not in the commodities they produce - they’re in their brands, and they are doing exactly what increases the value of their brand, all things considered.

These being as far as I can tell the business facts, it helps me to not take it personal, or incorrectly feel as though Rolex is being somehow dumb.
 
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I have seen two PM models in AD's in the last ten months and no Cellini examples save an early 00s' example in the estate section...online, yes, but in-person it's still a dice toss, at least in my region.

I'm sure your AD would be happy to source you a PM Rolex. Doesn't necessarily mean he's going to have it on display.
 
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I have seen two PM models in AD's in the last ten months and no Cellini examples save an early 00s' example in the estate section...online, yes, but in-person it's still a dice toss, at least in my region.

my AD has always had the Cellini and PMs every time I’ve went in over the last 3 years. No others but always those.
 
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the article says very clearly : When we have nowhere to be, why do people need a $9,000 Rolex?
people in the Pandemic do not need a watch...who needs a watch today when our smartphone does everything...but for sure they need a Rolex. Probably people in "some parts of the world" without a Rolex they don't feel comfortable trying to survive hard times. maybe Rolex is a good companion to have , it will diminish the stress, maybe is a good commodity to get for parking money, who knows.

all this does not make any sense, but on the other end...... like the good old man Einstein used to say: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about th’universe!
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