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krh7
·how does that speedy bracelet feel on the wrist? looks lovely, wonder how much that is worth over "standard..."
how much of a fail boat is the trilogy series?
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petay993
·"IMO, the same cycle is going to repeat with the 50th anniversary release (with the exception that I think prices will remain suppressed for the 50th, because it is an awful design with no heritage)."
There seem to be a lot of consumers queuing up for this "awful" piece with "no heritage"
Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
What do you mean by "no heritage" - genuinely interested to hear you expand on this.
There seem to be a lot of consumers queuing up for this "awful" piece with "no heritage"
Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
What do you mean by "no heritage" - genuinely interested to hear you expand on this.
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorThe problem was they all look like another watch that is cheaper 😗
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janw23
·"IMO, the same cycle is going to repeat with the 50th anniversary release (with the exception that I think prices will remain suppressed for the 50th, because it is an awful design with no heritage)."
There seem to be a lot of consumers queuing up for this "awful" piece with "no heritage"
Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
What do you mean by "no heritage" - genuinely interested to hear you expand on this.
Do I have to state that this is my opinion? Obviously, that's what it is. And when it comes to luxury status toys for my wrist, that's really the only thing that matters. I'm confident that I know my own preferences quite well.
As to why people choose to queue up for this piece, that is their own business. Many are successful flippers, some have too much cash burning a hole in their pockets and are after the latest hype piece (with no intention to flip in the beginning, but that is what they will do inevitably), some are collectors, and some are buying it for regular wear - and some are all 4 of the above. If boutiques claims that there is a waiting list or there are no more pieces available, it means little. It is in their interesting to say absolutely anything that increases perceived scarcity. It was the same for the Trilogy re-issue, and yet there are still pieces trickling into boutiques today.
I don't refer to the Gold one, that's an homage/re-issue like the Trilogy, and there is a direct historical connection. The Steel merely plays off the cultural heritage, because there is no actual history there. Don't get me wrong, because I think it's really great that Omega is trying something new. It is just that the aesthetics of the watch don't appeal to me. I find the mish-mash of features and Space throwbacks jarring personally - too "in your face". I'm sure there's nothing I can say that has not already been said re. Buzz mooning me / obstructing the seconds counter, the weird cork strap and dial legibility. It is just not a sports watch I would ever consider putting on my wrist. I also do not care much for Omega's attempt to rid the world of independent watchmakers and pad their margins by "upgrading" the 1861 in the new models.
Anyway, don't want to drive the thread off-topic any further 😀
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!"IMO, the same cycle is going to repeat with the 50th anniversary release (with the exception that I think prices will remain suppressed for the 50th, because it is an awful design with no heritage)."
There seem to be a lot of consumers queuing up for this "awful" piece with "no heritage"
Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
What do you mean by "no heritage" - genuinely interested to hear you expand on this.
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petay993
·I think he has a fair point. The current LE bears very little similarity with the 145.012 which went to the moon, so the heritage is questionable certainly. The movement used here is now 2 steps removed, the original had no gold etc etc. The new bracelet is about the only thing that is a clear nod to heritage and ironically NASA didn't use those on their pieces for safety reasons. Whether it is an awful design is a personal thing but I am certainly no massive fan. An awful lot of consumers showing interest happens on most LE's, what happens next, the going rate when there are 25+ sitting on C24 is the key indicator, we are maybe a month away from that. Many of us have been here too long to believe dealer bs when they say a piece is hot, we use our eyes and take a longer view...
They could have just re issued a 105.012 as worn by Armstrong with the new 321 but whilst that would have undoubtedly had the WIS and purists falling over each other to get to the OB's front door, I can see why Omega didn't do it as they are looking to commemorate the anniversary with a piece that has broad appeal to the public at large now.
To this end their interpretation of heritage differs from yours as they have chosen to create a more modern looking design whilst paying respects to the past achievements through the inclusion of the bespoke case back, inscription, 11 on the dial and the iconic ladder photo captured on the sub dial. To the traditional Speedy fan this may look like a gaudy bauble compared to the stark simplicity of the original but we are in a different design era now and they have a lot of pieces to shift so it needs broad showroom appeal.
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madjestikmoose
·My theory, if you've got ten grand in your back pocket to spend on a LE, you'll wait a year or two for the Apollo XI 50th.
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FlyingSnoopy
·The rail master might be a bit overlooked and underrated but it is beautiful and quite pleasing to wear...
I don’t know if it will end up being collectible or reach a higher price but if you bought it because you like it then you will get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
In my opinion (and I am probably in the minority) the nicest of the three
Cheers
I don’t know if it will end up being collectible or reach a higher price but if you bought it because you like it then you will get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
In my opinion (and I am probably in the minority) the nicest of the three
Cheers
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janw23
·They could have just re issued a 105.012 as worn by Armstrong with the new 321 but whilst that would have undoubtedly had the WIS and purists falling over each other to get to the OB's front door, I can see why Omega didn't do it as they are looking to commemorate the anniversary with a piece that has broad appeal to the public at large now.
To this end their interpretation of heritage differs from yours as they have chosen to create a more modern looking design whilst paying respects to the past achievements through the inclusion of the bespoke case back, inscription, 11 on the dial and the iconic ladder photo captured on the sub dial. To the traditional Speedy fan this may look like a gaudy bauble compared to the stark simplicity of the original but we are in a different design era now and they have a lot of pieces to shift so it needs broad showroom appeal.
Thought I'd continue on this.., forgive me 😉!
The space throwbacks are interesting but feel overdone to me. At the end of the day, it's still a two-tone dial with "Moonshine" (!) gold accents, no micro-adjust on the clasp (a step backwards from existing Speedmasters), and a bloke's bum, also in bright gold, on the dial, and costs nearly ~3x more than a regular Speedy retail. And they've thrown in a $5 thrift store velcro strap for some reason - to add insult to injury perhaps? I feel this is unlikely to have "broad showroom appeal".
I'm not claiming that I have a better idea. Clearly, there is a balance between harkening back to the past and moving forward that needs to be considered when producing such important commemorative editions. Particularly when this is being accompanied by the first of the new base calibre it sets the tone for future Speedmasters. My opinion is that they tried to do too much at once, and because of this I feel the whole is actually less than the sum of the parts, despite the many ways in which they are paying respects to the origins.
Besides all that - if the watch had a 321 caliber, or came with a proper selection of straps and a leather watch holder like the Trilogy, or had necessary features like a micro-adjust, I'd be less critical and willing to overlook my bias towards the design.
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Longbow
·The rail master might be a bit overlooked and underrated but it is beautiful and quite pleasing to wear...
I don’t know if it will end up being collectible or reach a higher price but if you bought it because you like it then you will get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
In my opinion (and I am probably in the minority) the nicest of the three
Cheers
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AdamS
·I think all three watches are excellent, the level of detail that went into the reproduction is impressive.
I have wondered why the Speedmaster, in particular, wasn't more popular, given that this is really the only way to get anything close to a 2915 for a "reasonable" price. My thinking is it comes down to two issues, first I think some were turned off by the fake patina. Second, I think the lack of connection to the space program makes this one a little less desirable by some.
In any event, I am a fan. The closest I will ever get to being able to wear a 2915
I have wondered why the Speedmaster, in particular, wasn't more popular, given that this is really the only way to get anything close to a 2915 for a "reasonable" price. My thinking is it comes down to two issues, first I think some were turned off by the fake patina. Second, I think the lack of connection to the space program makes this one a little less desirable by some.
In any event, I am a fan. The closest I will ever get to being able to wear a 2915
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Poday
·I think the problem with a lot of the recent LEs (especially the 50th) is that they seem to be designed more to sit in their display case and looked at than to be worn. I mean the 50th comes with a damn Lunar lander FFS. The 60th on the other hand is just a nice, nearly 100% accurate representation of a watch that was designed to be worn, and that most of us will never see in the metal (let alone own).
I have a much cheaper hobby of collecting LE Adidas Superstars. Most of the editions they release are completely wearable and look great. Some, however simply make way too many references to whatever they’re commentating, and maybe look great in the box, but absurd on your feet. The difference is that I can more easily justify spending $85 on a pair of shoes I’ll never wear, than I can spending $10,000+ on a watch I’ll never wear.
Also keep in mind that with a few exceptions, LEs will struggle to appreciate. Even with “only” 7000 pieces made, that’s 7000 that will be well cared for and likely in near mint condition ten years from now. Compare that to any golden age speedmaster, which were sold to be worn, and with the exception of the rare drawer find, most show that wear. There will be 7000 mint condition 50th LEs in 2029, and maybe 3 Ed Whites.
I have a much cheaper hobby of collecting LE Adidas Superstars. Most of the editions they release are completely wearable and look great. Some, however simply make way too many references to whatever they’re commentating, and maybe look great in the box, but absurd on your feet. The difference is that I can more easily justify spending $85 on a pair of shoes I’ll never wear, than I can spending $10,000+ on a watch I’ll never wear.
Also keep in mind that with a few exceptions, LEs will struggle to appreciate. Even with “only” 7000 pieces made, that’s 7000 that will be well cared for and likely in near mint condition ten years from now. Compare that to any golden age speedmaster, which were sold to be worn, and with the exception of the rare drawer find, most show that wear. There will be 7000 mint condition 50th LEs in 2029, and maybe 3 Ed Whites.
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Pepe Lucas
·I think the problem with a lot of the recent LEs (especially the 50th) is that they seem to be designed more to sit in their display case and looked at than to be worn. I mean the 50th comes with a damn Lunar lander FFS. The 60th on the other hand is just a nice, nearly 100% accurate representation of a watch that was designed to be worn, and that most of us will never see in the metal (let alone own).
I have a much cheaper hobby of collecting LE Adidas Superstars. Most of the editions they release are completely wearable and look great. Some, however simply make way too many references to whatever they’re commentating, and maybe look great in the box, but absurd on your feet. The difference is that I can more easily justify spending $85 on a pair of shoes I’ll never wear, than I can spending $10,000+ on a watch I’ll never wear.
Also keep in mind that with a few exceptions, LEs will struggle to appreciate. Even with “only” 7000 pieces made, that’s 7000 that will be well cared for and likely in near mint condition ten years from now. Compare that to any golden age speedmaster, which were sold to be worn, and with the exception of the rare drawer find, most show that wear. There will be 7000 mint condition 50th LEs in 2029, and maybe 3 Ed Whites.
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Poday
·Do you approach the same way the sneakers you collect? Do you think if you are going to make money on them or just buy them because you liked them.
I buy them because I like them, and I wear most of them, though there are a few I’ve bought just because I like collecting and will probably never wear (not for investment reasons, just because some are a bit fashion-eccentric).
But again, these are $85 purchases, not $10k ones. If you like the 50th, absolutely wear it in good health! It’s just that when I look at the display box it’s sold it, to me the whole package looks like a display item, not something to be worn.
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8100_RPM
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I'm sure it varies by market but I can actually click on the link and order the Railmaster Trilogy from the U.S. website.
https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/...axial-master-chronometer-38-mm-22010382001002
I can't do that with the Speedmaster or the Seamaster.
https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watch-omega-speedmaster-57-chronograph-38-6-mm-31110393001001
https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/...axial-master-chronometer-39-mm-23410392001001
That said, the U.S. website does say that I can contact a boutique about the ST2. I doubt they would be able to find one for me.
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paraboot_allen
·The rail master might be a bit overlooked and underrated but it is beautiful and quite pleasing to wear...
I don’t know if it will end up being collectible or reach a higher price but if you bought it because you like it then you will get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
In my opinion (and I am probably in the minority) the nicest of the three
Cheers
Sometimes a lot of people can't get around the fact that a product being interesting doesn't guarantee huge sales.
But everyone judges the product's success only by sale figures which is reasonable since it's the only objective thing we can judge on.
Watches are just so personal. And I'll be personally happy if I love something that's not hugely popular. And it's true that resale prices will suffer, but I can enjoy the same way by buying used.
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pIoNeErOfThEnILe
·The rail master might be a bit overlooked and underrated but it is beautiful and quite pleasing to wear...
I don’t know if it will end up being collectible or reach a higher price but if you bought it because you like it then you will get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
In my opinion (and I am probably in the minority) the nicest of the three
Cheers
time to hijack this thread.
this is basically for people that have had both.........i know it's personal, and subjective but between the railmaster and the seamaster what are the differences that would make a person prefer one of these over the other?
railmaster - less cluttered, more streamlined/less thick?
seamaster- more popular iconic divers- bigger than the railmaster?
what about fit and other things...are they both the same lug to lug?...do they both wear the same?...is the extra bulk on the seamaster somewhat cumbersome compaired to the railmaster? etc, etc...