How many female members now?

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the ability to own more than one watch, be it a Timex or a Rolex (or in my case a Longines) is a privilege that few are afforded on this planet.
Finest words I've seen written about how unique this vessel of knowledge and friendship is that we have here.
You add much to the science, history and, most certainly, to the grace of our hobby and our forum.
We need more!

Coming up on my 10th anniversary here and proud to say that several of my best friends started out on these pages.
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Thanks @Syrte for including me in this thread.

Since joining a few years ago, I've found 99% of the members in this forum to be patient, helpful and generous (with their time and knowledge).

Only recently in a Daytona thread, which I initiated early in the year, was there an unnecessary comment by a male member. His rude post won't deter me from participating in the forum. General rule: If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

I don't think a sub-forum is necessary. If you're a female collector, you'll find/start discussions in the existing forum. Keeping things streamlined.

If female members are hiding, it may be what they're comfortable with? But I do hope more female collectors come forward and share their collections/stories.
 
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I'm all for women...have always thought them superior in most ways to men, but I'm starting to get a victim vibe here. I never see men commenting in ways that would drive women away. If it happens, I'd bet it's very rare. These guys aren't crass, as a general rule. I'd say most are educated and even worldly...not cavemen. I don't think anyone is keeping the ladies from commenting. And I find it very hard to believe that 17 percent are female in any watch forum, including this one. Relax Syrte. No one here is going to oppress you, I promise.

I’ve personally have had to delete mountains of shit over the years that would not only drive women away but would get you fired if you viewed it on a monitored work computer and posts that are just completely beyond the pale so please spare me that complete drivel about “if it happens I’d bet its very rare”.

Demographics over the last 45 days show it even higher at 19.1%… once again you can believe the world is flat if you like but this is our actual data and its been remarkably consistent over the last 11 years. It also matches up with other watch sites we compared notes with.

 
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Heresay and making assumptions based on one's observations are two different things.

But if I don't have the bandwidth to explain this shit to people who want to discuss in good faith, I certainly don't have time to deal with you. Do us both a favor and keep my handle out of your quotes and I'll do the same.


And this thread had so much promise...
 
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Relax Syrte. No one here is going to oppress you, I promise.

Dear @keepsonticking …. ironically this statement of yours is the first time since I joined forums nearly 8 years ago that I think I’ve been so directly on the receiving end of a sexist statement (edit/ only the second time rather). 😕

May I kindly ask: where have you seen that I’m not «relaxed » ? Are you implying my initial post showed any level of agitation, along the lines of the good ol’ stereotypes of the weak hysterical female?

Where were you in the past 7 years while I took part in discussions here, accruing over 6000 posts, do you think I was wringing my hands in worry that I needed your protection? You’re a bit late to the game. Oh yeah, you joined only a year ago, guess that’s why.

As a matter of fact two lovely forum members reached out within days of my first posts, offering support as they feared sexist jokes or other misbehavior might discourage me at some point. But the beauty is, that never happened.

Indeed, it’s a bit sad to see this interesting discussion lead into confrontation. Perhaps one that unavoidably highlights what needs to be.
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Very sad to read this although she had a good run I guess. Very inspirational lady/ I still love the original Star Trek. This seemed the best place to post the news.

American actress Nichelle Nichols, best known for her role in 1960s sci-fi TV series Star Trek, has died aged 89.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., described her character as the "first non-stereotypical role portrayed by a black woman in television history".

Ms Nicholls also became an ambassador for the US space agency Nasa, helping to recruit women and minorities to its Space programme.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62373143


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I’m not a long-timer but @Syrte seems to me to have a unique stature on this forum and cuts an unusual figure in the universe of watch enthusiasts, so I appreciate her initiative in starting this thread and appealing to other female watch fans to make themselves heard, which few if any of the rest of us here could have done as effectively.

A few observations:
- I have witnessed some of the sexist bullshit Syrte has been subjected to. I wish it were an isolated incident, but it clearly isn’t. We’ve now heard from a number of female members about their experiences, and additionally heard about the “mountains of shit” a moderator has deleted from the forum.
- Imagine how galling it is to watch as male commenters debate whether something that happened to you really happened in the way you describe. That includes, I suppose, my example above, as if sexist behavior only matters when a man finds it objectionable.
- “But I’m rude to everyone!” doesn’t mitigate sexist/racist behavior. Sexism is a kind of assholery, yes, but it injures particular people.
- If this thread moves you to respond by saying it’s all a laugh and most people here are perfect gentlemen—look, I understand that urge. I’m not saying this from some more exalted plane than anyone else. But when female members talk about their experiences here and elsewhere, they’re not inviting the rest of us to speculate on whether they’ve just imagined what they’re saying.
 
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@krogerfoot thank you for the kind words and the appreciation, However I honestly don’t remember having been directly subjected to sexist bullshit of any sort on the forum. Quite the contrary.
Have I missed something? Edit/ oh yeah you’re right now I remember one remarkable instance of someone who did apologize after a disgustingly stupid remark and a spirited discussion.

But the forum as a whole and as @NYCwatchgal pretty much said has always felt welcoming to me.

PS edit/ add - this in no way should diminish the reality of other instances where other women on the forum may have experienced sexism.
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@krogerfoot thank you for the kind words and the appreciation, However I honestly don’t remember having been directly subjected to sexist bullshit of any sort on the forum. Quite the contrary.
Have I missed something? Edit/ oh yeah you’re right now I remember one remarkable instance of someone who did apologize after a disgustingly stupid remark and a spirited discussion.

But the forum as a whole and as @NYCwatchgal pretty much said has always felt welcoming to me.
I don’t want to persuade you that you’ve had a worse time here than you actually have. Maybe that’s the incident I had in mind, and if it is an isolated incident, so much the better.
 
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Only recently in a Daytona thread, which I initiated early in the year, was there an unnecessary comment by a male member. His rude post won't deter me from participating in the forum.

I recall that rude comment, it definitely would not have been made towards a male poster. I think I am going to be more vigilant about reporting posts like that in the future. Perhaps if we present a more inclusive and accepting front, more of the women lurking behind the scenes will be motivated to participate.

Demographics over the last 45 days show it even higher at 19.1%… once again you can believe the world is flat if you like but this is our actual data and its been remarkably consistent over the last 11 years. It also matches up with other watch sites we compared notes with.

Obviously Google knows us pretty well, so I'm sure the numbers are pretty accurate. There's a tremendous opportunity in getting these viewers more involved, so thanks for posting these statistics. As an aside, the age distribution is also interesting; it skews younger than I would have expected, which bodes well for the future of mechanical watches. I suppose there is a demographic gap between users and members.
 
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I'm on the mod team for a watch community that is much larger but also skews much MUCH younger than OF (average age of a participant is around 21). The interest in people under 30 is definitely there and at in person meetups I've talked to college freshmen who are seriously considering watchmaking school after finishing engineering degrees. I have no doubts about the continued interest in mechanical/non-smart watches (I have more doubts about the longevity of film photography! XD).

Partially because of our size, the mod team as a whole has adopted a zero tolerance approach to any non-constructive behavior (racism, sexism, classism, straight up trolling, etc). We can't catch all bad behavior by ourselves, but the community is an active partner in reporting out of line comments and I think that's what helps maintain a mostly positive and welcoming atmosphere.
 
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PS edit/ add, I recall @connieseamaster deploring very sexist comments in a long running thread (250 pages on a LE Snoopy anniversary edition) - but I haven’t read thre thread and I wonder why no one reported those comments for moderation. The rules do prohibit sexist comments.

I'm new here so don't kill me, but after reading through this thread, you posting this as well as being the OP kinda made wonder ... If you see these types of comments in a thread, do you not report them yourself ? Maybe you did and I am missing context.

I am a mod of a large video game forum and we get so many reports and clear the up when we do, but I'm always remiss when I get a PM from a member asking me why I didn't moderate this comment or that post ... The simple answer is usually that the mods didn't read it ... Yet ... So we do rely on the community there to report things so the admin teams can resolve the issue and/or the person.

That being said it's great to see the female side of the watch community grown on YouTube as well with Jenni Elle and Brittany watch gringa, but there aren't many. On IG, we have icwgirl who works for IWC and is a strong proponent for the community as well.

My wife loves big watches like her g-shock and Bulova a15 and asks me why my old Omegas are so small. 🤪 gotta lover her.
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I recall that rude comment, it definitely would not have been made towards a male poster. I think I am going to be more vigilant about reporting posts like that in the future. Perhaps if we present a more inclusive and accepting front, more of the women lurking behind the scenes will be motivated to participate.

Thanks Dan. Appreciate it.

That comment caught me off guard. Had to re-read it several times since that was the first time I experienced a sexist remark in this forum in over 3 years.
 
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I'm new here so don't kill me, but after reading through this thread, you posting this as well as being the OP kinda made wonder ... If you see these types of comments in a thread, do you not report them yourself ? Maybe you did and I am missing context..

I’m the OP in this thread, not in that other thread. I only saw a couple posts in that other thread, it’s 220 pages long and I have no idea why some ladies found there were sexist comments in there.
I’m not going to second guess them on it.
I’m just making the same point you are, which is suggesting to report sexist comments.
 
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I recall that rude comment, it definitely would not have been made towards a male poster. I think I am going to be more vigilant about reporting posts like that in the future.
Not gonna lie, didn't even know there was a report function until dsio mentioned reporting posts and i actually clicked the options button 🤦
 
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The PM function is useful also. There are people behind the avatars. We all make mistakes.

I try hard not to be an asshole. (The irony is not lost on me that if I am trying not to be an asshole then i must by nature be an asshole. 😁)

It doesn't always work. One person still does not like me after reaching out. Several others have turned into years long chats.

Just a suggestion.
 
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The PM function is useful also. There are people behind the avatars. We all make mistakes.

I try hard not to be an asshole. (The irony is not lost on me that if I am trying not to be an asshole then i must by nature be an asshole. 😁)

It doesn't always work. One person still does not like me after reaching out. Several others have turned into years long chats.

Just a suggestion.
I understand your thinking and agree it a good starting point on some personal disagreement. However if someone makes a blatantly sexist post it shouldn't fall to a women who came here to enjoy watches to instead spend her time trying to educate.
 
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I understand your thinking and agree it a good starting point on some personal disagreement. However if someone makes a blatantly sexist post it shouldn't fall to a women who came here to enjoy watches to instead spend her time trying to educate.


There's truth in that. I don't mean to say that messaging someone is mandatory nor a cure-all.

At the same time, miscommunication happens all the time, in families face to face, in offices, in the best of conditions. Here, where communication is stripped of the nuances of vocal inflection, eye contact, etc, with the added elements of anonymity, distance and public ego, it can sometimes make us respond more emotionally than we might otherwise if we were in person. The personal messaging can serve to step out of that energy and reset.

While this can be a bit of hippy-dippy wishful thinking, sometimes it helps me to stop and try to understand who the other person is, as opposed to scoring points in an argument.

As to your point about putting the burden on a woman to explain why she feels uncomfortable or belittled, that's no different than racism or gay-straight or young-old or country to country stereotypes or any other prejudices that we hold. If we are to avoid killing ourselves, we have to dialog. As a 65 year old white American male, i have learned a lot about myself in the last decade. It wasn’t because I sought out new experiences, although I thought i was open to them. It's because other people presented different ways of thinking or took the time to tell me why what i said/was thinking was exclusionary. They could have said fυck you, but that would not have changed a thing or helped me change my thinking.

I wish i could remember the circumstances but my memory is not so great. But I can tell you I have two wonderful daughters who are brave and kind. The example i can't remember ended with my daughter saying "but Dad, you think that because you're a man" and then she explained it from her perspective. I just hadn't seen it like that. Lightbulb.

For that to happen, i can't hate someone. I have to see them as a reasonable person and not an oppenent or opportunity to prove I'm right (very tempting for me.)

You also said blatant sexism. Nobody should put up with abuse, blatant or otherwise. If something is blatant and over the top, definitely call me out. Maybe I was being a lazy thinker or falling back into cheap stereotypes for what i thought was an easy laugh. That's no excuse for saying it, but perhaps i would be grateful for the correction. If someone refuses to back down or apologize or acknowledge the injury, that's on them and not your burden.

This is a stream of consciousness post so feel free to TLDR. The short of it is that our little world on the forum carries the same crap as the larger society so we shouldn't be surprised when sexism or anything else appears. It seems like the forum is in many ways a more civilized place. But while the forum has opportunities to connect with people from across the world that we could not hope to meet in our real lives, there are extra challenges from the anonymity and lack of physical presence. The PM is a tool for reaching behind the veil.

And because this is a watch forum, here's a picture of a 1967 Glycine Airman that came in the mail today. 😀


 
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Some interesting and thought provoking comments in this thread. A survey seems like a good idea to find out the opinions of the people that matter so any initiative or change best meets their needs and encourages more diversity and participation.

In terms of flagging inappropriate content one area that always concerns me is humour. Words matter but equally jokes have been a around a long time and do help bring us all down to earth and stop us getting too serious or pompous about life. In some cases, jokes about stereotypically types of people have circulated for centuries with only the wording and targeted groups changed. There does tend to be grains of truth in them - son in laws and mother in laws do not always get on for example and partners can be frustrated by people buying yet more expensive watches. Equally they can reinforce negative stereotypes (think of all the old boy fogey jokes - but some of them are damn funny…If only I could remember them ;0)
As new wave comedy has moved to the left they have kept a lot of the same material but just changed the targeted group to right wing politicians or people who don’t fit their own cultural ideology. There is good clever diverse comedy as well - but equally some of that gets way too highbrow as they just grandstand their own erudite egos (ok I am too thick to understand it :0). Long story short unless if is strongly offensive I think the best way to evolve humour / culture is to laugh and like or not laugh and like - a joke needs to pole-vault over the line before it is reported or questioned IMHO or we are on a very slippery slope and it does turn things very bland - slipping towards a Demolition man film future.
 
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Some interesting and thought provoking comments in this thread. A survey seems like a good idea to find out the opinions of the people that matter so any initiative or change best meets their needs and encourages more diversity and participation.

In terms of flagging inappropriate content one area that always concerns me is humour. Words matter but equally jokes have been a around a long time and do help bring us all down to earth and stop us getting too serious or pompous about life. In some cases, jokes about stereotypically types of people have circulated for centuries with only the wording and targeted groups changed. There does tend to be grains of truth in them - son in laws and mother in laws do not always get on for example and partners can be frustrated by people buying yet more expensive watches. Equally they can reinforce negative stereotypes (think of all the old boy fogey jokes - but some of them are damn funny…If only I could remember them ;0)
As new wave comedy has moved to the left they have kept a lot of the same material but just changed the targeted group to right wing politicians or people who don’t fit their own cultural ideology. There is good clever diverse comedy as well - but equally some of that gets way too highbrow as they just grandstand their own erudite egos (ok I am too thick to understand it :0). Long story short unless if is strongly offensive I think the best way to evolve humour / culture is to laugh and like or not laugh and like - a joke needs to pole-vault over the line before it is reported or questioned IMHO or we are on a very slippery slope and it does turn things very bland - slipping towards a Demolition man film future.
It’s a simple matter of use the report feature to report content that is over the line or might be, moderators can then act on that or not accordingly. We had to remote a ton of stuff that was way over the line, easily 100 posts or more over the years that the joke thread has been there as beyond just causing offence there were photos, terms and phrases in there that would get our members straight up flagged and in front of HR if they viewed it.

This isn’t a NSFW site, it never has been, and about a third of our members are viewing the site in their office whether that be a corporate office, a hospital, a law firm, an engineering workshop or a government office.

Should they be working instead of slacking off looking at watches? Some cases maybe, some cases no, it’s not our business. But they don’t deserve to get in trouble either just because some twit wants to repost a joke he was forwarded by email.