How many female members now?

Archer · Jul 31, 2022

connieseamaster
Modern Omega falls flat in this respect somewhat (quartzifying and gemifying watches without providing alternatives for those who want the Master Chronometer spec and/or a watch without mid grade diamonds).

Indeed, they are lacking in models that for example, my wife would want. She's not interested in quartz, or things that are overly feminine, or filled with diamonds. This is her most feminine watch, and she doesn't wear it:

She much prefer her Nomos Tangente...

connieseamaster
What would make this forum, and the world at large, a more welcoming place is if instead of the knee jerk reaction of "nuh-uh, stop trying to police my thoughts" there was an attitude of "this person's experience is different than mine and maybe they see/know something I haven't been exposed to and maybe I should consider their point."

Well said.

connieseamaster · Jul 31, 2022

M'Bob
Most of the young, successful, ambitious females I know in the big city where I live and practice wear “men’s” watches, work with men, compete with men, drink with men, curse with men, and just want a level playing field. They would likely find the need for a separate area completely offensive, but, as I said, we all are informed by our unique experiences.

Every time someone uses "female" as a noun, this is the image that pops into my head

Is your quote based on what these women have told you or based on your assumptions given your observations of their behavior? As a woman in a male dominated field that definitely is closer to a "good ol' boys club" than not, though definitely better than when my mother was in the workforce, I fully expect to be treated as an equal by everyone I work with (and I do my best to return the respect). BUT I also greatly appreciate the women-only spaces that exist for women in my field and the spaces that I've carved out where I can discuss with my female peers (adjective, not noun!) the challenges that are unique to our position in our field. There are just some things dudes don't and can't get until it's explained to them and sometimes I just don't have the energy and bandwidth to give a well meaning guy the 70+ years of context that have led to my exhaustion.

Edited to remove unnecessary and overly socialized use of the S word. Women will understand 😀

Omegafanman · Jul 31, 2022

Omegafanman
We are getting ready for beer and African curry tonight… for a party to watch the UK Lionesses win the football cup

Well I have to say that all went 100% to plan. Best international football England has played in years and it has really put the womens game on the map in the UK. A huge achievement/ the country is proud of them all. Quality football with few mistakes and a great team spirit which won through a testing tournament.
A bit disappointed that in their moment of triumph none of the team seemed to notice the Royal Seamaster …but I guess they were a tad distracted by their historic victory to do a William wrist check ;0)
Nice to see an all female RAF fly past as well (Typhons and a C130). Quite the day to launch this thread. The Lady who cooked my Kenyan curry also did a cracking job :0).
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M'Bob · Jul 31, 2022

M'Bob said: ↑
Most of the young, successful, ambitious females I know in the big city where I live and practice wear “men’s” watches, work with men, compete with men, drink with men, curse with men, and just want a level playing field. They would likely find the need for a separate area completely offensive, but, as I said, we all are informed by our unique experiences.

connieseamaster
Is your quote based on what these women have told you or based on your assumptions given your observations of their behavior

I thought my post was pretty straightforward: the watches I observe on their wrists; the working, drinking, cursing are stories I hear about regularly; their desire to have a level playing field is also what I’ve heard many times. But I left out that they have also confided in me that they will unabashedly use their feminine wiles on the men they work with if it is to their benefit. Based on that, I said I believed it was likely that they would not like their own sub-forum (and feel pandered to), but I have not expressly solicited their opinion about this particular concept.

connieseamaster · Jul 31, 2022

I guess it wouldn't occur to you that your perception of their motives, desires, and ambitions would be colored by your own world view, and therefore you're actually not an objective reporter on their wants and feelings.

Dan S · Jul 31, 2022

M'Bob
... they have also confided in me that they will unabashedly use their feminine wiles on the men they work with if it is to their benefit.

Keep digging. 🤦

M'Bob · Jul 31, 2022

connieseamaster
I guess it wouldn't occur to you that your perception of their motives, desires, and ambitions would be colored by your own world view, and therefore you're actually not an objective reporter on their wants and feelings.

Just like when people report the historical part of their illnesses to me, I can only rely on what comes out of peoples’ mouths. And, yes, every interaction is colored by our own world view. I may be as objective as anyone else; maybe not. Probably on the bell curve.

M'Bob · Jul 31, 2022

Dan S
Keep digging. 🤦

Believe what you want, Dan. I don’t really give a shit.

Dan S · Jul 31, 2022

M'Bob
Believe what you want, Dan. I don’t really give a shit.

But you did reply. 👍

connieseamaster · Jul 31, 2022

M'Bob
Just like when people report the historical part of their illnesses to me, I can only rely on what comes out of peoples’ mouths. And, yes, every interaction is colored by our own world view. I may be as objective as anyone else; maybe not. Probably on the bell curve.

Heresay and making assumptions based on one's observations are two different things.

But if I don't have the bandwidth to explain this shit to people who want to discuss in good faith, I certainly don't have time to deal with you. Do us both a favor and keep my handle out of your quotes and I'll do the same.

gatorcpa · Jul 31, 2022

This is what I do not want here:

So….

gatorcpa

wagudc · Jul 31, 2022

Syrte
@mrs_LA and @Otterina have also contributed.

Could this be perhaps a median idea @dsio, @Trev?
Perhaps divide the « Omega modern watches » section into two subsections, one « for men » and one « for women ».

The Omega women’s line is very specific.
This will signal that the forum does pay attention to women, and it means all other sections are coed.
Maybe have a sticky at the top of that section to explain the thinking.

I am not such a fan of assigning genders to watches. I am small thin man and have always thought "men's" watches are way to big for my slender wrists. many of the modern "women's" watches shown in this thread would be right up my alley, 34-36mm is about right for me.

However, I think it would be OK to have a women's sub-forum. It seems like whenever a women starts a thread clearly directed at other women, a large number of men chime in for whatever reason. I know I am guilty of this right now, but this thread has drifted so far from the original intent at this point. Generally I try to keep my mouth shut. Policing a women's sub-forum could be an issue, unless OF wants to implement gender options into the profile and restrict posting by gender.

Trev · Jul 31, 2022

Syrte
One thing I’m sure which can easily get on women’s nerves are all those locker room rants about wives.

Those rants and jokes always come across as so cringe. I do think it's more of an older generation thing, for whatever reasons.

sheepdoll · Jul 31, 2022

Trev
Those rants and jokes always come across as so cringe. I do think it's more of an older generation thing, for whatever reasons.

I have noticed older men seem to do this when they are uncomfortable. Diffuse the situation by telling a joke or making light of it. Does seem to come across as a defensive mechanism.

The other adage seems to be "Well it does not hurt anyone."

I do not think there should be a Womans only sub forum. That somewhat defeats the purpose. I do think a Women's 'design' forum or superthread (pinned) would make sense. Or perhaps a sub 17mm case section.

What ever the the next step is it should be organic and evolve from what already works. I see some of this starting to happen, Whether or not this evolution will continue is the question.

It really does come down to emotion. How we feel about that watch we just found, or are considering. The feeling we get when there is something new to discover. That feeling when one wins or looses an auction or an offer.

I tend to lean to technical things. That may be what I use to diffuse off those untoward advances. Or the feeling one gets when outside their comfort zone.

-j

Foo2rama · Jul 31, 2022

sheepdoll
I noticed that the online goodwill web auction pages places watches under the category 'Jewellery and Gemstones.' There are three sub categories Children, Men and Women.
I had gone into a goodwill brick and mortar the other day, as I had not been in one for a number years. The only watch I saw was a 'projector' watch for a modern kids spy film franchise. Not sure how well something like this would work. Such a thing does not really fit into my collection, and I have too much as it is. A curious novelty. I attach an image from an ended online auction.

Watches do not seem to be marketed much to children. So I had not really given much thought to think of their being a kids subcategory. I still do have a watch I got in a box of breakfast cereal. I also have some other advertising or promotional watches. (which is a subject unto itself.)

The only suggestion I was making would be to have a thread that features more examples of ladies or smaller watches, and I see this starting to happen. Whether such threads belong into a separate 'forum' or not is still up for debate.

-j

FYI due to a member of this forum all watches except obvious cheap plastic ones donated to goodwill now go to a central hub and are auctioned online.

Foo2rama · Jul 31, 2022

I have to be honest I have a problem with women and watches…

Technically just one specific women. FooGirl will not allow me to sell my Speedmaster Date Yeman.

I hate that piece. She doesn’t wear it as she is afraid of scratching it.

ARGH!!!!

TexOmega · Jul 31, 2022

"Separate but equal" would not be my suggestion for a solution.

sheepdoll · Jul 31, 2022

Foo2rama
FYI due to a member of this forum all watches except obvious cheap plastic ones donated to goodwill now go to a central hub and are auctioned online.

I am refering to the online auction site. I was just pointing out how they divided the categories.

Supposidly some the boxes of NAWCC marts I picked through in the 1990s came from a goodwill regional site. They do want to maximize thier profits. Sometimes one would see a watch or two in the front display case along with the cameras.

Before the pandemic the auction site was a good place for vintage electronics, now it has been 'discovered.'

-j

NGO1 · Jul 31, 2022

Women-Only sub forum works or not is anyone’s guess. Apple swore they will not make phones larger than 4.5”, not long ago.

Make a bold move and see what happen. Nothing to loose here and an entire half of the human race, to gain.

keepsonticking · Jul 31, 2022

I'm all for women...have always thought them superior in most ways to men, but I'm starting to get a victim vibe here. I never see men commenting in ways that would drive women away. If it happens, I'd bet it's very rare. These guys aren't crass, as a general rule. I'd say most are educated and even worldly...not cavemen. I don't think anyone is keeping the ladies from commenting. And I find it very hard to believe that 17 percent are female in any watch forum, including this one. Relax Syrte. No one here is going to oppress you, I promise.