Hodinkee Drama Strikes Again

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Not included: Diving, hiking, football (American or the proper kind), running, exercise, and basically any activity that requires significant movement and action. All for a website where the vast majority of its regular readership, and I am betting over 90%, is male. Hodinkee is consciously becoming an "anti-bro-culture lifestyle brand."

It's a different sort of reactionary "culture." One thing I have thought repeatedly and increasingly over the last few years reading Hodinkee is that the editors are generally not the sporting or outdoors types. To use an American colloquialism, they are not, nor were they ever, jocks.
 
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It's a different sort of reactionary "culture." One thing I have thought repeatedly and increasingly over the last few years reading Hodinkee is that the editors are generally not the sporting or outdoors types. To use an American colloquialism, they are not, nor were they ever, jocks.

Well they do seem good at bending their elbows 馃榿
 
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It's a different sort of reactionary "culture." One thing I have thought repeatedly and increasingly over the last few years reading Hodinkee is that the editors are generally not the sporting or outdoors types. To use an American colloquialism, they are not, nor were they ever, jocks.

Heaton and Stacey are all about outdoorsy stuff, though with a touch of urban bougie, like promoting $1000.00 men's handbags on the latest Grey NATO, thought I feel that might be to keep Hodinkee on brand, which is, as you correctly point out, is a reactionary "anti-bro" vibe.

The rest of the staff? Almost a too on-the-nose stereotype of the effete, elite, urban professional. Except Jack Forster, because he's cool.

I should point out that I like and read Hodinkee, because I like the production values, and I like reading Jack Forster ('cause he is a very good writer and 'cause learn stuff), and I have followed Heaton and Stacey since Stacey's ABTW days. But yeah, it's become a very aggressive vending machine, with three of the last five articles on the homepage an "In The Shop" advertorial. And with VC now calling the shots, and the CEO from Mr. Porter and the new Editorial Director from Apple and Levi's, it's going to be even more so.
 
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I should point out that I like and read Hodinkee, because I like the production values, and I like reading Jack Forster ('cause he is a very good writer and 'cause learn stuff), and I have followed Heaton and Stacey since Stacey's ABTW days.

I do too. I mock it pretty frequently, but I read the site a few times a week. I also own a few copies of the print magazine, which are like buying coffee table books in their size and presentation.

I listen to the Grey NATO podcast too. James and Jason can be a little NPR-ish, but they are generally practical and more experiential than the rest of the lot. Heaton鈥檚 piece about his decision to not buy a 50th birthday watch, might be the most thoughtful article on Hodinkee in the last year.

I do not fault them for their success, but I do expect the site to change and evolve. It has in the short time since I started reading it a few years ago. If it strays too far from what interests me, I鈥檓 sure there will be another, or more, publications available and willing to take its place.

I should probably read more books anyways.
 
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I don't read Hodinkee for the same reason I don't "read" Amazon.
 
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Quite honestly, I haven鈥檛 given enough thought on the evolution (or devolution to some) of Hodinkee to really give an opinion on where they stand today and what vc ownership/new leadership will mean for the future.

That aside, reading the comment section on Jason Heaton鈥檚 article referenced above, was pretty telling. It鈥檚 simply a guy telling the story of his submariner and the adventures he鈥檚 had with it. Many of the comments discuss how refreshing the article is, the best article in years one person says.

A simple story of that nature just shouldn鈥檛 be the exception on a site for watch enthusiasts.
 
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Personally I don鈥檛 understand the angst against Hodinkee. The content is free and no one is forcing anyone to read it. Surely the bills have to get paid somehow.

I don鈥檛 enjoy all the content but Talking Watches, Bring a Loupe, the revived Tudor Sub story are great examples of the free content provided.

If I was in Ben Clymer鈥檚 position, I would do the same. Slap my company logo on a $200 travel clock and sell it for $7,000 - hell yeah!
 
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One thing about publishing is that it's pretty hard to mess up good writing. Thanks to @mz_cle for linking to that Jason Heaton article. It's not that affluent young strivers necessarily lead worthless and gracelessly described lives; it's just that Hodinkee seems so partial to that kind of thing.

The unfamiliar pleasure of enjoying a Hodinkee article led me to reread this terrific Jack Forster article on the Seiko Credor Eichi II watch, which shows that it's possible to convey wonder about and appreciation of a consumer product without resorting to self-congratulation or worship of luxury. You can read and enjoy the entire piece and be entirely ignorant about whether the watch costs $50 or $50K (spoiler alert: it's the latter).

The story is followed by recommendations for further reading.


Gallet, you say? How interesting! But true to the Hodinkee house style, this turns out to be a misspelling, or a typo, or something we could term a hodinky-a dumb mistake that no one cares enough to fix for years. That's the Hondinkee aesthetic, idly fondling items with quarter-million-dollar price tags while not bothering to get their names right.
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Thanks to @mz_cle for linking to that Jason Heaton article.

Yep that article is refreshing in comparison to the general tone of "you need to buy one of these" on hodinkee. I found this quote from the article hit home for me:
" I've learned that it's OK to admire a great watch from afar - at one of the shows, on someone else's wrist, or on Instagram - without having to scheme how to get one for myself. "
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Yes I recall the same thing. I remember a put together bracelet on a 100% original watch.

I think it was UG that you are referring to and there were a few other examples. I'm sure if you sure the forum you'll find some threads. @Iceter
 
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Quite honestly, I haven鈥檛 given enough thought on the evolution (or devolution to some) of Hodinkee to really give an opinion on where they stand today and what vc ownership/new leadership will mean for the future.

That aside, reading the comment section on Jason Heaton鈥檚 article referenced above, was pretty telling. It鈥檚 simply a guy telling the story of his submariner and the adventures he鈥檚 had with it. Many of the comments discuss how refreshing the article is, the best article in years one person says.

A simple story of that nature just shouldn鈥檛 be the exception on a site for watch enthusiasts.

Except it is. Years ago I used to read stories like that on WUS, now it's almost entirely acquisitional (is that even a word?) rather than experiential. And Fratello, Monochrome, SJX, Time & Tide, W&W, all focus on review-based articles geared toward consumer purchases. I'll admit I enjoy watch reviews. And I think it's hard to write stories like Heaton's. Much easier to photograph a watch on your wrist and write whether you'd buy it or not.
 
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And I think it's hard to write stories like Heaton's. Much easier to photograph a watch on your wrist and write whether you'd buy it or not.

This is exactly the thing. Writing badly is easy. Writing well is hard. Hodinkee is full of terrible writing because they institutionally don't understand and don't care about the difference. People like to reply to this by observing that Hodinkee's reason for being is to extract money from readers, advertisers, and investors, not to publish informative and correctly-spelled articles, and these replies often take the tone that this is something that has never occurred to the rest of us.
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This is exactly the thing. Writing badly is easy. Writing well is hard. Hodinkee is full of terrible writing because they institutionally don't understand and don't care about the difference. People like to reply to this by observing that Hodinkee's reason for being is to extract money from readers, advertisers, and investors, not to publish informative and correctly-spelled articles, and these replies often take the tone that this is something that has never occurred to the rest of us.

My business/responsibility is not writing, but the written word is pretty important to what my responsibilities are. On the basis of your earlier comments, I sent out a communication to the department which I am the leader of, reminding the team of the importance of accuracy in the written word. My business has nothing to do with watches, but your comments hit home with me. In my group, there are 8 or 10 managers writing reports on a daily basis. I see them all. I don't have time to get into the fine details of most of them on a regular basis. Still, over time I've seen a degradation of the quality of the reports (formatting, punctuation, missed identification of structures, missing data that is clearly required, confusing sentence structure, etc.).

So thank you for pointing out the need for accuracy and structure. It prompted me to encourage the team to pay closer attention. As has been said many times before; words matter.
 
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My business/responsibility is not writing, but the written word is pretty important to what my responsibilities are. On the basis of your earlier comments, I sent out a communication to the department which I am the leader of, reminding the team of the importance of accuracy in the written word. My business has nothing to do with watches, but your comments hit home with me. In my group, there are 8 or 10 managers writing reports on a daily basis. I see them all. I don't have time to get into the fine details of most of them on a regular basis. Still, over time I've seen a degradation of the quality of the reports (formatting, punctuation, missed identification of structures, missing data that is clearly required, confusing sentence structure, etc.).

So thank you for pointing out the need for accuracy and structure. It prompted me to encourage the team to pay closer attention. As has been said many times before; words matter.

I have no idea what you just said 馃榿
 
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I have no idea what you just said 馃榿
Dude encouraged me to remind the team on the importance of making sure when it goes on paper, it should be 100% accurate. I thanked him for it.馃榿
 
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Dude encouraged me to remind the team on the importance of making sure when it goes on paper, it should be 100% accurate. I thanked him for it.馃榿

Finally some clarity. Anything longer than 3 lines and I am lost. 馃榿
 
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My business/responsibility is not writing, but the written word is pretty important to what my responsibilities are. On the basis of your earlier comments, I sent out a communication to the department which I am the leader of, reminding the team of the importance of accuracy in the written word. My business has nothing to do with watches, but your comments hit home with me. In my group, there are 8 or 10 managers writing reports on a daily basis. I see them all. I don't have time to get into the fine details of most of them on a regular basis. Still, over time I've seen a degradation of the quality of the reports (formatting, punctuation, missed identification of structures, missing data that is clearly required, confusing sentence structure, etc.).

So thank you for pointing out the need for accuracy and structure. It prompted me to encourage the team to pay closer attention. As has been said many times before; words matter.
This comment would fill any editor's cold, dark, and shriveled heart with a never-before-experienced sensation akin to joy. Thank you.