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Heuer Monaco 1133B McQueen.
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Gav1967
·You may not realise that membership to OF also gives you membership to its sister forum https://forums.calibre11.com/ this is specifically for Tag Heuer enthusiasts.
Same ID and password as OF
You will hopefully get more assistance there
Same ID and password as OF
You will hopefully get more assistance there
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NGO1
·Good man. thanks Gav.
Update: Calibre11.com is barren. Other questions from previous posters of 1133 without any activity.
The knowledge pool from OF is insanely impressive.
Update: Calibre11.com is barren. Other questions from previous posters of 1133 without any activity.
The knowledge pool from OF is insanely impressive.
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abrod520
·which dial, hands and pushers are more original?
Left or right Monaco?
Why is there such discrepancy in dial color in same reference?
In this case I think the discrepancy is heightened by the different lighting conditions of the two photos. If it's the same seller, ask for side-by-side photos in the same lighting to compare.
However, the earlier Monacos had a dark blue metallic dial whereas the later production runs had a flat blue dial - it's possible that the example on the right above is what's known as a "Transitional" dial (from the very first batches, to the standard production later on), while the left is a "standard" production model.
Hands are murkier, but they appear correct for both models - we see the thinner lume style on earlier models, and the wider ones on later models. The wider hands could also be service parts, but this is unclear.
Crown and pushers are too hard to tell in these photos, you'll need shots of each side of the case to compare. but, all Monacos had fluted pushers and both of these do, so no immediate red flags.
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NGO1
·Thanks Abrod. I appreciate your input. Ive been lusting after one for years,
I’m surprised how good condition most of them are. I guess they aren’t daily wear due to the larger size, compared to say a Daytona.
would you say Caliber 11 is more desirable than the 12? Do you have any personal experience between the two?
I’m surprised how good condition most of them are. I guess they aren’t daily wear due to the larger size, compared to say a Daytona.
would you say Caliber 11 is more desirable than the 12? Do you have any personal experience between the two?
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abrod520
·Some may have been refinished, so do your research on what a proper case looks like. Refinished dials are also not terribly uncommon since these had some issues early on with the rubber gasket melting and messing up the edges of the dial.
The movement itself does not matter from a desirability standpoint, but only the very earliest models will have a Caliber 11. It was replaced quite quickly by the 11i, which was itself replaced by the 12 very soon thereafter.
These movements being modular chronographs, were often just replaced at services rather than taken apart and put back together. So you'll probably find lots more 12s, and from my personal standpoint I would say it isn't a big deal unless the piece is being sold at a large premium.
The movement itself does not matter from a desirability standpoint, but only the very earliest models will have a Caliber 11. It was replaced quite quickly by the 11i, which was itself replaced by the 12 very soon thereafter.
These movements being modular chronographs, were often just replaced at services rather than taken apart and put back together. So you'll probably find lots more 12s, and from my personal standpoint I would say it isn't a big deal unless the piece is being sold at a large premium.
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wouter van wijk
·You may not realise that membership to OF also gives you membership to its sister forum https://forums.calibre11.com/ this is specifically for Tag Heuer enthusiasts.
Same ID and password as OF
You will hopefully get more assistance there
Havent seen this before. Unfortunately there is no dominant platform for heuer with all combined info. This forum is not related with onthedash since not is more related to https://www.calibre11.com/ and its partner site https://www.vintageheuer.com/about-us/ I prefer the OF layout since its the best watch forum, most easy to navigate etc. Many other forums still are in of kind of MS DOS or Tapatalk layout which is bit out of date to put in mildly and very user unfriendly. Imho the reference and pictures database of Jeff Stein is the best to go for research on Heuer
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w154
·I’d guess it’s just the lighting. Transitional Monaco’s are expected to come with the simple flatter handset. Both look good though.
Immediate edit !
Actually on close inspection I’d say it could be a transitional dial on the right hand watch. Can you find the serial number on the case ?
Immediate edit !
Actually on close inspection I’d say it could be a transitional dial on the right hand watch. Can you find the serial number on the case ?
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janice&fred
·I think they look great on their NSA bracelets as it gives a square watch a more sporting look 👍
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w154
·Just did a quick google search and the seller of the right hand watch is describing it as a transitional dial. Definitely looks it. I’d want to know the SN of the case. If it’s a transitional serial number it’d be a cool example to have and you could always keep an eye out for a correct transitional handset.
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abrod520
·I’d guess it’s just the lighting. Transitional Monaco’s are expected to come with the simple flatter handset. Both look good though.
Immediate edit !
Actually on close inspection I’d say it could be a transitional dial on the right hand watch. Can you find the serial number on the case ?
Nothing with Heuer is a hard and fast rule; in many cases sometimes the older dials were just used up with the newer handsets. We see this especially in the automatic Carreras as they revised the designs at a rapid pace between 1969-1972 or so. I'd still expect an earlier serial on the Transitional dial example though, at the very least.
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·[QUOTE="w154, post: 1638706, member: 20737" Can you find the serial number on the case ?[/QUOTE]
Yours? she's a beauty. Wrist shot(s) please.
No, dealer doesn't provide serial number. I don't want to engage them yet, still learning this reference.
So much more effort in buying vintage. Asking prices are all over the place. It's a minefield.
Yours? she's a beauty. Wrist shot(s) please.
No, dealer doesn't provide serial number. I don't want to engage them yet, still learning this reference.
So much more effort in buying vintage. Asking prices are all over the place. It's a minefield.
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w154
·Yeap it’s mine but I still don’t have it so no wrist shot possible ! I don’t see the harm in asking for the serial number. There are lists available of known SNs for the chronomatics and transitionals so you can see whether it fits in. Got some other pics of mine that I’ll dig out. I can’t imagine many prefer the hands of the transitionals, but the dial is much nicer IMO.
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·I’m not expert on the bracelets, but the two best choices for me are firstly 1) the NSA that flares out to the full lug width before the endlinks, then secondly 2) the non tapered NSA as in your middle photo. Obviously both should have a Heuer signed buckle.
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abrod520
·I've seen many different bracelets on 1133B, many claimed original. They do seem like they belong.
These 3 are from the same dealer, each sports a different bracelet.
The bracelets were made by Novavit (NSA) - the top is a Mark II, the middle is a Mark I, and the third is not a genuine Monaco bracelet.
For the first two examples, this also lines up with their likely production dates...
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·Thank you gents. Offer is accepted.
This gal is on a flight coming my way.
The green lume on hands are funky. May have been relumed some point during service. My guess. Do you see any other issues?
She comes with original bracelet and Cal11 movement. Checked all my boxes.
Case looks like it's seen some polishing through the years but I think it's nice
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NGO1
·Do you have any idea where/how those greenish lume hands happened?
The brown hour marker lume dots seem right. I’m glad most lume dots are intact.
The brown hour marker lume dots seem right. I’m glad most lume dots are intact.
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