Help with SM300 165.014

brunik

It's possible to find a set of hands, should be silver or the white ones are correct? It's from the 65/66 the watch

Ash

Yes bezel insert is wrong, although the bezel itself is most likely genuine. Dial looks original from a cursory look, but obviously it has been poorly re lumed. You could have it sympathetically re lumed along with the hands which would improve the overall look a lot, although not original. Hands are correct for this ref.

kox

Hour and minute hands should not be white, but unpainted steel. Second hand should be white. As Ash said, hands are correct but the frame has been painted over.
Second hand is also the correct early teardrop one with longer tip and shorter body (well, depending on the serial no./production date from the extract - if you want to share). And is it a straight 165.014 or has it a subreference, i.e. 165.014-63 or 165.014-64?

kox

Your serial 2379x and production date is ok for a 165.014 without subreference and in line with a handful of others in that serial range.
It's among some of the last 165.014's and correct with the T marked dial and these type of hands as mentioned. The absolut latest 165.014's are in the 242x range and produced early 1967. Some of those had the sword/gladiator hour hand like the 165.024 from that period.

So, the good news is that sourcing another correct dial won't be that difficult, since it's a T dial (unlike early 165.014's), and they are the most common SM300 dial, since it was also used on the 165.024. Finding one in a nice condition is however still hard...and pricy!

And yes, you could remove the white paint from you hands.
Again, all depends on what you want. If you like it to be as close to original as possible - with nice original lume, source another correct dial and matching hands, and perhaps get the bezel inlay redone to more correct specs (Aldo). All in all a task that could take some time and be, yes, pricy!

Or ... since both hands, dial and bezel already have been worked on (perhaps not completely relumed, but at least touched up in several places - better macro pictures please, especially of the damaged areas of the 5 min. markers on the dial)... And you "just" want it looking nicer, get the dial/hands properly cleaned/scraped and then relumed by a pro ... and perhaps leave the bezel inlay.

Whatever your poision, enjoy;-)

gemini4

You might consider giving thr entire watch to Aldo (he is a member here) for restoration.
The good news is he can make the watch look fantastic (although still have the teltail signs of restoration).
I purchased a 14755 a while back that featured a restored bezel, dial, hands and service. Bad part is that it took the seller 2 years to wait for completion.

kox

Your serial 2379x and production date is ok for a 165.014 without subreference and in line with a handful of others in that serial range.
It's among some of the last 165.014's and correct with the T marked dial and these type of hands as mentioned. The absolut latest 165.014's are in the 242x range and produced early 1967. Some of those had the sword/gladiator hour hand like the 165.024 from that period.

So, the good news is that sourcing another correct dial won't be that difficult, since it's a T dial (unlike early 165.014's), and they are the most common SM300 dial, since it was also used on the 165.024. Finding one in a nice condition is however still hard...and pricy!

And yes, you could remove the white paint from you hands.
Again, all depends on what you want. If you like it to be as close to original as possible - with nice original lume, source another correct dial and matching hands, and perhaps get the bezel inlay redone to more correct specs (Aldo). All in all a task that could take some time and be, yes, pricy!

Or ... since both hands, dial and bezel already have been worked on (perhaps not completely relumed, but at least touched up in several places - better macro pictures please, especially of the damaged areas of the 5 min. markers on the dial)... And you "just" want it looking nicer, get the dial/hands properly cleaned/scraped and then relumed by a pro ... and perhaps leave the bezel inlay.

Whatever your poision, enjoy;-)