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Help with Ploprof 600 Auction Win Please

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Hi all,

I know first posts shouldn't be fake or not threads but I don't have much choice when I could be lots of money down the loo... I bid and won on a Ploprof on Yahoo Japan and missed some tell-tale signs that it's probably a fake, or at best, a franken watch.

The two main signs are the second hand, not boxed, and the poor quality of the bezel edges and bumps and dips not being uniform. I've started proceedings with the Proxy company and also Visa but both really aren't interested too much... I've also emailed Swiss Time Services here in the UK now who have kindly said they will have a look, using these same pictures, and let me know what they think.

I'd say currently my best case outcome would be that it's a frankenwatch and if I can get replacement hands during a service, that may have to do. I doubt I'll get a replacement bezel if needed and I bet they're much more than the hands. Worst case, it's all crap and I'm down lots of money....Please let me know what you think.

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Welcome to OF. I am not a specialist for the movement, so there will be answers to follow.
1st I doubt the seconds-hand. 2nd the lines of the triangle (bezel) are quite slim 3rd: which confirmed reference did you buy?

atb, Jo
 
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Welcome to OF. I am not a specialist for the movement, so there will be answers to follow.
1st I doubt the seconds-hand. 2nd the lines of the triangle (bezel) are quite slim 3rd: which confirmed reference did you buy?

atb, Jo

Sold as a 166.077 with a cal.1002.
 
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Your pics. or seller's pics ? Sellers name/ID? You see, that the hands are glossy painted Orange. That dial is not ok. Is the crystal sunken in a lot in regards to the bezel surface ? If so, remove the bezel and you will find, that the screw in crystal threaded ring will not fit and not one rubber seal is present......have seen that before. Hopefully I'm wrong.....
 
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Your pics. or seller's pics ? Sellers name/ID? You see, that the hands are glossy painted Orange. That dial is not ok. Is the crystal sunken in a lot in regards to the bezel surface ? If so, remove the bezel and you will find, that the screw in crystal threaded ring will not fit and not one rubber seal is present......have seen that before. Hopefully I'm wrong.....

Sellers pics I'm afraid. Seller is in Japan and I went through a proxy, FromJapan.

I don't have the watch in hand, the auction only ended yesterday and I'm trying to get advice before it gets shipped to me and leaves Japan. Thank you for the advice about the hands, dial and crystal though. If I have to accept the watch, I'll take better pics and post them though.
 
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I am sorry to say that case looks very fake. Sloppy case stamp, bearing holes look to big/close to the bevel edge. The bracelet is not omega and the movement is too early for 90% of ploprofs. Dial is also not Omega. I hope you can get your credit card to cancel and stop the purchase now.
 
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Needs a service badly.
 
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Needs a lot more.....

Could you explain what please? I'm trying to collate a list of problems or worries about it and then try to find out how much it would be to fix to send to the credit card company and FromJapan to strengthen my case. I've added the ones from previous posts (thanks everybody).
 
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what simonsays..... you will find your example in the watchuseek link above. the case stamp says it all. just label it a fake and get your money back from the credit card company. tell them, you will report to the police . and, again, who is the seller ? his auction ID pls. 5 (!) movement close ups with a mvmt. number that might not show up in the EoA as a PLOPROF number. all detailed. out of focus case inside ...... no side shot from the bezel in focus.....
 
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Well, I'd like to say thanks again to everyone who has replied. I'm happy to say that FromJapan have got the seller (
katiaru_orimono) to issue a full refund. I hope this near disaster of mine can help others not fall into the same problem.
 
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Be careful on there. They like to take angled glamour shots to hide dial issues. I got a bubbled IWC dial once, so it seems to be the noob tax.
 
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I sent the seller a link to this saying it is a well discussed fake and he ended the auction.

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In Japan you can't get your money back, these proxy services I suspect get the 10% internal sales tax back when they export items, so they aren't on your side either - basically just jump to the 5th stage and accept the outcome

It's not about the money but I was going to sue someone who sold me a fake seamaster bracelet, just a $100 loss, but at the time I was so furious that I'd easily spend $3-4k with legal fees - turns out (this is coming from a proxy) some sellers don't even have to disclose their names or addresses, they can receive the money anonymously and send packages anonymously as well, this seller was supposedly one of them

Anyway, TL;DR: You just have to accept the outcome

Around 20% of the time something is amiss as well, examples include damaged movements sold with prior pictures, major flaws going unseen and so on - there's a seller related to the famous South Korean plague redialer for example, he sells many things, all of them have a major flaw that's hard to see

As for re-selling on Japan, sometimes it's not the same thing, but they sell another fake, as for re-selling on eBay, usually people do it for items they don't own, if someone buys on eBay, they buy in Japan (It's common knowledge, but just saying)

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Well, I'd like to say thanks again to everyone who has replied. I'm happy to say that FromJapan have got the seller (
katiaru_orimono) to issue a full refund. I hope this near disaster of mine can help others not fall into the same problem.

EDIT: Wow, just saw this, it's a miracle in my opinion, maybe the seller was genuinely not aware
 
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