Help with a Tudor ID and Patina question

Like buses I dont see interesting watches in the wild and then.....and then they all come at once.

I had some good forum help on a vintage Rolex and that guy is looking for his box and papers + looking into a service (its first I think ;0) - he was surprised by the current value, but is not selling - its been his watch for 53 years so I get that. Vintage Rolex ID, Condition and insurance value help | Omega Forums

So yesterday I was chatting to another old boy and showed him a picture of the Rolex watch. Crazy coincidence but he said he had one similar ........ but not a Rolex and it was from 1972.

I grabbed a few quick pictures and said I would ask team forum about it (well at least you all get more watch photos and posts that way). He was interested to know if the faded bezel made the watch more or less valuable. For me (and assuming it is all original from new) I think it makes it more attractive (but I have a Freeze 101 with a ghost bezel so might be biased).

This is another one which needs a service so I gave him the same contact list (I should get a watchmakers commission).
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Not the most attractive example IMO. The bezel is too far gone and the H/M hands look relumed (sweep looks original, but losing lume). Case is mediocre. If you like the way it looks, try not to pay too much.

Yes - agreed on the hands. Hard to know what too much is these days / all gone a bit crazy.