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elephantcage
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I know almost nothing about dress watches. Can you Constellation lovers tell me if this is a good choice and how over priced it is?
I don't know if I am allowed to post the listing, so I'll just include a few photos. It's on ebay now. Thanks for any education you can provide. The listing calls it gold capped and ss. It's listed for 3750 BIN. No offers. I like the gold in this one as 18k is too yellow for my taste. This is more subdued.
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The lugs look heavily scratched and appear to have been polished. My guess would be that its worth about half the asking price.
Someone will probably buy it though, so you can't blame the seller for pitching it high.

Unless that bracelet is solid gold...
 
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Please wait for a more experienced member to opine before acting. Or rather, not acting!
 
elephantcage
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I saw the lugs....someone was not very gentle with it. Thanks
If that bracelet were solid gold, I'd say it's worth 3 to 4 on its own. Almost certainly not solid.
 
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Assuming the 3750 is €/$/£ and not ¥, it’s too much in my book. Certainly not the worst example, but the lugs are indeed pretty soft and that’s kinda what doglegs’ appearance lives of.

Also, they aren’t particularly uncommon, so why settle for a mediocre example.

Really sharp, nice steel pie pans are reaching the 3k mark, but certainly not gold-capped ones and not heavily polished ones.

The incorrect crown isn’t the end of the world but it’s another 100$ to fix.

If you have just a little bit of time I’d suggest to wait.
 
noelekal
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Yeah, wait, but you really neeeed a good Constellation with Pie Pan dial!
 
Peemacgee
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I’m going to be a little harsher.
The lug facets are none existent and the inner edges are chewed.

I agree dogleg pie pan prices have gone mad but anyone who knows what they should look like should run a mile from this one.
 
elephantcage
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It's going to take quite a leap for me to buy a dress watch, so I've got time. I probably should go with stainless.
 
elephantcage
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I like this one, but it's in Japan...and I am not good at seeing re finished dials on these.
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Peemacgee
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With a terrible picture like that even the best of us would have difficulty in spotting a redial.
 
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With any vintage watch clear in focus pics are essential but with black dials they are even more important.

This is a heavily polished lyre lug watch which has a black dial and entirely wrong hand set with a fuzzy pic.
Big red flags all round.
 
Peemacgee
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If you want a proper assessment of a watch you need to provide really good pics and lots of information - lots of pics inside and out.
 
elephantcage
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Well, if I get beyond the preliminaries, I'll find more photos, but no point in diving into a watch that has several problems right up front. And to be clear, I've been collecting Speedmasters, Daytonas, etc. since the 80s. I'm not just off the turnip truck, but these are much more likely to have re finished dials...probably just avoid them.
 
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These are also 3 very different Connies: Date, no date, lyre lug, dog leg lug, pie pan dial, non pie pan dial, stainless case, gold cap case, stainless furniture, gold furniture, crosshair, no crosshair, leather strap, 7 row BOR, 9 row BOR.

I'd recommend deciding what you like and making your world smaller.
 
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elephantcage elephantcage
Well, if I get beyond the preliminaries, I'll find more photos, but no point in diving into a watch that has several problems right up front. And to be clear, I've been collecting Speedmasters, Daytonas, etc. since the 80s. I'm not just off the turnip truck, but these are much more likely to have re finished dials...probably just avoid them.

Have patience. You can get there.

It would be great to see some WRUW photos of you sporting a newly acquired vintage Constellation.
 
elephantcage
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It would be a significant departure from my entire watch experience....maybe 40 years worth. My wife has set us up for a river cruise in the Paris/Normandy regions for next Summer. Maybe I'll take a dress watch this time (and a Daytona, Sub, and one or two old Speedmasters...I'm not a barbarian). The last time we were in Europe, she booked us on Ryan Air from somewhere where they drive on the wrong side of the road to somewhere else where they shift with their left hand. At the door of the plane they told us NO carry ons. If you know Ryan, you understand. I had a few watches in my backpack that I never left anywhere. I nearly didn't get on the plane. I forget how it ended...maybe I fainted. Moral of the story: Avoid Ryan Air if there are ANY options. It's the kind of operation I'd expect to employ Mad Dog in the left seat (or is that right on a UK plane?) That would have been the kicker....a pilot with 4 watches, 2 on each wrist carrying a box with 4 gallons of Dunkin coffee.
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