Help wanted: Omega Speedmaster 145012-67

Jackee · May 16, 2017

Hey!
I took all your advice about finding a watch that I really like the appearance of and I have just done that.
I have been trying to see if there is anything wrong with it but I can't really find anything. Well except the ugly suede strap. The requested price is €7300, serviced last year and 12 month warranty.

The only problem that I can see is that the back case has been polished quite hard. So maybe the whole case is over polished? I can't really tell. The lume is a little bit too yellow maybe as well?

Thanks in advance for all your help and patience!

cell1010 · May 16, 2017

I find that one aesthetically very pleasing I have to say. One thing that I'd double check before the purchase would be the lume. Maybe it's down to the picture processing but I can hardly remember to have ever seen such an even saffron colored lume. Please don't get me wrong, I have no indication to say it's relumed. I just don't find it common and would therefor have a second look.

gemini4 · May 16, 2017

According to MWO, 27320xxx is a very high but correct, rare movement number for a 145:012.

Dgercp · May 16, 2017

I thought 145.012 should have wide spaced T's
Also crown a replacement but no biggie there.

Davidt · May 16, 2017

I don't like that dial. Wide T's on a 67? Look at the Professional text. Seems iffy.

The caseback and mid case seem to have a very different sheen as well and case is too polished for me.

Coupled with the movement no, I'd be very wary.

Amaza · May 16, 2017

I agree that the case seems overpolished. But the most worrying thing to me is the dial which looks in bad conditions with signs of scratches and brown areas around the sub-registers.

In the same price range and with similar yellow tones I d rather this one http://www.chrono24.com/omega/speedmaster-professional-321-vintage-145012-67--id6256809.htm . Although the galaxy like patina is particular and may not appeal everyone.

repoman · May 16, 2017

looks "prepared" to me.. not a good authentic/honest piece, IMHO... I'd say a dial and hand relume, case is soft from polishing, dial has issues like the scratch in the 9 o'clock subregister, no bracelet included, etc. I'd rather pay a bit more for a better example with a bracelet... but that's me.

td69 · May 16, 2017

With the serial on the higher end for -67, I'd assume a wide T's dial. However I think the dial should be the main area of concern for this watch. I totally understand the urge of owning one especially this being your first Speedmaster but I'd remain patient. Good luck!

Jackee · May 17, 2017

Dgercp
I thought 145.012 should have wide spaced T's
Also crown a replacement but no biggie there.

How do you spot a replacement crown?

Davidt
I don't like that dial. Wide T's on a 67? Look at the Professional text. Seems iffy.

The caseback and mid case seem to have a very different sheen as well and case is too polished for me.

Coupled with the movement no, I'd be very wary.

What is the problem with the Professional text?

Igora · May 17, 2017

dial is from earlier model (105.012) and to me it looks in nice condition. crown replaced, no big deal. case looks polished.
over all 7300 is a bit too much I think!

kreyke · May 17, 2017

Amaza
I agree that the case seems overpolished. But the most worrying thing to me is the dial which looks in bad conditions with signs of scratches and brown areas around the sub-registers.

In the same price range and with similar yellow tones I d rather this one http://www.chrono24.com/omega/speedmaster-professional-321-vintage-145012-67--id6256809.htm . Although the galaxy like patina is particular and may not appeal everyone.

Regarding the piece you've shared, can the lume age to that extent? Or has it been artificially coloured.

cagkut · May 17, 2017

I don't understand how a case can "seem" overpolished? It is either overpolished or not. In this case I don't see any over polish, please share what you see to conclude it's over polished.

jimmyd13 · May 17, 2017

I find the watch aesthetically very pleasing. The colour of the lume could be down to the photography but, if it's not, I still like it.

The case has been "cleaned". That's my own way of saying it's been very slightly polished, probably to get rid of some surface scratches, but the lines are all still there. The crown looks wrong. As for the fonts, I'd have to get the big book out and compare side to side pictures, so I'll defer to the others on that. The caseback probably hasn't been polished - the hippocampus is acid etched and I have a more worn caseback on a later watch. They were designed to be easily polished out to allow a personal engraving and many years of sweaty wrists can damage the engraving.

With watches like this, that have obviously lead a life and had parts replaced, it all comes down to whether you like the watch and are comfortable with the price.

Davidt · May 17, 2017

I'd say that case is boardering on over polished. The edges are not sharp. It would bother me too much.

The dial may not have been tampered with, perhaps I'm on alert as it's not correct for the watch and the whole thing looks suspect to me.

Either way, it's not correct. You have an early 105.012 dial, in a 145.012 with a late movement so it's clearly not original and correct. The case is average at best and the price is high. If you were looking for an early pro dial, this may be worthwhile as a swapper, but if you're looking for your first and possibly only Speedy it's a pass imo.

watchknut · May 17, 2017

Agree, case has been lightly polished and looks a little soft. Agree that the dial text looks a bit off.

If you wonder about the case, here is my unpolished 67.

cagkut · May 17, 2017

Thanks for sharing those photos.
A 50 year old watch made of metal would in most cases be polished more than once. That is one thing, overpolished is another, IMHO.

Amaza · May 17, 2017

kreyke
Regarding the piece you've shared, can the lume age to that extent? Or has it been artificially coloured.

That's a good question. In my opinion it is not a relume, looks quite irregular and pourous. Concerning the color,I think that part of the strange tone is due to the high saturation and contrast of the image. A natural light picture together with the knowledge of its behaviour in the darkness may be very helpful in this case.
The case also in this ine seems polished, I say "seems" because pictures can be quite tricky amplifying or hiding defects.

oddboy · May 17, 2017

At 27,320,###, I'd expect a -68 caseback. High number and older dial also raise the red flag.

Lots of questions here..

Jackee · May 17, 2017

Thank you all for your input. I have learned a lot from this thread regarding what to look for.

I really like how the watch look but at the same time I would like to have a correct watch. From the comments it looks like there are som doubts about correctness. So I am a little bit torn regarding what to do.

Davidt · May 17, 2017

There's no doubt. The dial isn't correct for that watch. The movement is a question mark and the case is average at best.

Help wanted: Omega Speedmaster 145012-67

Jackee

cell1010

gemini4

Dgercp

Davidt

Amaza

repoman

td69

Jackee

Igora

kreyke

cagkut

jimmyd13

Davidt

watchknut

cagkut

Amaza

oddboy

Jackee

Davidt

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