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naidu
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Hello all,

I ask your help about this Longines of which I do not know much. I did not find a clearly visible reference on the movement, this one has the serial number 7.467.151 which dates from 1945 from what I could find.

Moreover, the case has no hallmarks inside the case back, except PGF engraving. I know that the watches intended for the French market were nested in France and that PGF was a manufacturer of gold case for Omega or Longines among others ... But what I find surprising is that the case has no hallmark "Longines". Is this correct according to you?

The dial seems original (the foot of the dial is not white among others) but I'm really not a specialist of Longines so I would like to have your expert opinion.

Thanks a lot for your help !!


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dodo44
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PGF indeed made gold cases for the french market. These are usually not signed and are in my view just as collectable as Swiss-made cases. The movement seems to be a 27MS. The watch has presumably been worn as indicated by the service mark. The logo and the print quality are pretty good. Fab Suisse is usually not italics but some 27M have some italics writing below the logo (the Longines "Special"). I vote original for the dial.
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khmt2
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Very nice example and dibs pls! 馃榾
 
Larry S
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I could just stare at that dial all day.
 
DirtyDozen12
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Beautiful piece! And as others have said, dial looks original and French case fits with the "Fab. Suisse" printing. @dodo44 I think that the caliber is a 10.68N and a serial number of 7'467'151 likely dates to 1947/1948.

Edit: Maybe movement is a 23M. This is the thinner cousin of the 10.68N.
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bubba48
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Wonderful 馃グ馃グ馃グ
Movement and dial produced for the French market and probably cased by SFL (Soci茅t茅 Fran莽aise Longines).
 
Interstatetime
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As others have said...beautiful watch and again, in my opinion all original. Wear it proudly.

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Fran莽ois P茅pin
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Wonderful 馃グ馃グ馃グ
Movement and dial produced for the French market and probably cased by SFL (Soci茅t茅 Fran莽aise Longines).

I have doubts concerning the SFL, because the OP's watch case has been made by PGF, the biggest French case maker of that time. They made cases for Longines, but also for Omega, etc. Do you have info about a link between PGF and the SFL?
 
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Wooo-OOO-ooowwwW.

馃グ

Please, @naidu , if it's yours (or, even if it's NOT 馃榾) put me on the Dibs List!
 
bubba48
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Fran莽ois P茅pin Fran莽ois P茅pin
I have doubts concerning the SFL, because the OP's watch case has been made by PGF, the biggest French case maker of that time. They made cases for Longines, but also for Omega, etc. Do you have info about a link between PGF and the SFL?

Just a guess. SFL was a Longines company and was the official importer in France. It's therefore possible that the watch has been cased in France (as for the Dennison cases in England), otherwise it would also have the Longines logo engraved on the case back
 
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How the hell does a dial stay that good? Congrats OP, it's a lovely thing.
 
naidu
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Thanks everobody !!
About the movement, thanks to @dodo44 and @DirtyDozen12 for you informations, finally it seems to be a 27MS rather than a 10.68N or 23M (see pictures below)

27MS
Manuale_Longines_27MS_rear.gif


10.68N
Manuale_Longines_10.68N_o_10L_rear.gif


23M
Longines_23M.jpg



Happy to have confirmation the watch seems all original 馃榾
About the case my doubt was about the fact there is no Longines engraving on the caseback because I have seen some case made by PGF with the Longines engraving like this one :

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(credit : Arno on a french forum)

To @Fost : yes it's a 35 mm
 
Fost
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naidu naidu
Thanks everobody !!
About the movement, thanks to @dodo44 and @DirtyDozen12 for you informations, finally it seems to be a 27MS rather than a 10.68N or 23M (see pictures below)

27MS
Manuale_Longines_27MS_rear.gif


10.68N
Manuale_Longines_10.68N_o_10L_rear.gif


23M
Longines_23M.jpg



Happy to have confirmation the watch seems all original 馃榾
About the case my doubt was about the fact there is no Longines engraving on the caseback because I have seen some case made by PGF with the Longines engraving like this one :

6ie64x.jpg

(credit : Arno on a french forum)

To @Fost : yes it's a 35 mm

Georges has always the right picture at the right time!
 
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Just lovely, wow!
 
dodo44
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naidu naidu
About the case my doubt was about the fact there is no Longines engraving on the caseback because I have seen some case made by PGF with the Longines engraving like this one :

6ie64x.jpg

(credit : Arno on a french forum)

To @Fost : yes it's a 35 mm

I double checked and the one PGF cased Longines with 27MS movement (if it is indeed a 27MS) has the engraving. Have you contacted Longines to ask for more information? Here is an example:
http://www.lorologiese.com/it/class...righe-dial-18kt-pink-gold-watch-cal-27ms.html
10 years separate the production of the 2 (yours and this example), so I would not lose sleep over that. In the 40s, Longines did not sign all their cases.
 
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