Help identifying this vintage Seamaster

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I was helping someone clear out old things and was given this Seamaster. I am intrigued by it, and in looking at the various sites and Omega databases it has the "feel" of some late 40s/early 50s models, but I could not find something like it. The difference being the very thick crystal, the "flying numbers" (2/4/6/8/10/12) and the very thin rim. Would be eager for any guidance from experts. Please excuse these questions of a newcomer and the relatively poor pictures, which are hampered, also, by the worn thick crystal.

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i doubt its seamaster. looks 40s to me. it needs to be opened to reveal.
 
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Looks like a 40s 30T2 to me. The 'Seamaster' has been written on at a later date by the looks of it.
 
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It's not impossible to find a late 1940s Seamaster.

But this one looks like a redial, judging by the alignment of the numbers and the non-concentric minute track. "OMEGA" and "Seamaster" appear to be twisted as well.

I recommend to have the watch opened by a good watchmaker and have a closer look at the dial, movement and caseback.
 
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Thank you all for this and the fine attention to detail. I will look for a good watchmaker nearby (how would I identify one in Haifa? Tel Aviv?) and report back (with photos) on what we see inside....
 
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Unless this watch has significant sentimental value to you, I wouldn't spend any money on it. A service will cost more than it is worth.
 
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It's not impossible to find a late 1940s Seamaster.
Late 1940’s Seamsters generally do not have “Seamaster” anywhere on the watch.

They are distinguished by having screw back cases and O-ring seals inside.

The branding was added the the Seamaster line in the early 1950’s and water-resistant snap back cases in the mid-1950’s.
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Unless this watch has significant sentimental value to you, I wouldn't spend any money on it. A service will cost more than it is worth.

I would wait before judging, I'd like to see the dial under that scratchy glass.
 
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I would wait before judging, I'd like to see the dial under that scratchy glass.

Even with glass in that condition, I'll confidently call it a redial.
 
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Late 1940’s Seamsters generally do not have “Seamaster” anywhere on the watch.

They are distinguished by having screw back cases and O-ring seals inside.

The branding was added the the Seamaster line in the early 1950’s and water-resistant snap back cases in the mid-1950’s.
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I don't quite agree, though your posts are 100% correct almost every time.

The Seamaster line was officially introduced in 1947/48 and OMEGA commemorates the first examples with the recent 1948 LE versions now.

The "Seamaster" is at least to find on the casebacks of some very late 1940s watches. So it's not correct that it's not to be found anywhere on the watch.

The dial? You can find watches from the late 1940s with "Seamaster" on the dial (most from1949), that look legit.
 
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The Seamaster line was officially introduced in 1947/48 and OMEGA commemorates the first examples with the recent 1948 LE versions now.
Agreed on the introduction date. The “first examples” that you refer to did not have the name on the dial. Here is a picture from a 1950 catalog.



Note that the top watch looks like the modern “1948”, just without the name. Later versions of the same watch had the name on both dial and caseback.

Serial numbers on the nameless Seamaster would be in the low 11 million range. Upper 11M and 12M serial numbers would be from 1950 to 1952. That’s when Omega started to produce the versions with the name on the dial.

I know never to say never with vintage Omega, but I never seen a 1940’s Seamaster with the name on the dial. I have a few other advertisements from that era and none have the name.

If you have one, I would love to see it. Happy to be wrong on something like this.
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Agreed on the introduction date. The “first examples” that you refer to did not have the name on the dial. Here is a picture from a 1950 catalog.

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Note that the top watch looks like the modern “1948”, just without the name. Later versions of the same watch had the name on both dial and caseback.

Serial numbers on the nameless Seamaster would be in the low 11 million range. Upper 11M and 12M serial numbers would be from 1950 to 1952. That’s when Omega started to produce the versions with the name on the dial.

I know never to say never with vintage Omega, but I never seen a 1940’s Seamaster with the name on the dial. I have a few other advertisements from that era and none have the name.

If you have one, I would love to see it. Happy to be wrong on something like this.
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I don't have one, but I've seen them.

I agree that the "regular" production of the "Seamaster" as a brand's icon began in the early 1950s.

But OMEGA did introduce the new model line earlier, in the late 1940s.

Here is an example with "Seamaster" etched on the caseback, dated to 1949.

https://www.chrono24.de/omega/1st-g...-with-caliber-351---1949--id11278814.htm#gref
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I have a watch with an 11.5M serial number that was identified as being from 1950 by Omega Museum.

This watch is slightly later than that, probably still 1950. Maybe early 1951. Can’t go by movement dating here, as it’s the cases that make them Seamaster, not the movements.

I think some case references had the engraving at this time and some did not. It’s very hard to identify early Seamsters as they don’t have any branding at the beginning (1948-9).
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I don't have one, but I've seen them.

I agree that the "regular" production of the "Seamaster" as a brand's icon began in the early 1950s.

But OMEGA did introduce the new model line earlier, in the late 1940s.

Here is an example with "Seamaster" etched on the caseback, dated to 1949.

https://www.chrono24.de/omega/1st-g...-with-caliber-351---1949--id11278814.htm#gref

The case is wrong for a seamaster, the lugs are too thin & the snap back on the case is different.
Early Seamasters had beefier lugs & were automatics. This is more similar to something like a 2318 or 2348 case. Besides, it's a redial.

Top 2 in the pic are bumpers, note the shape of the lugs, these are specific to bumpers.

Bottom left is a 1957 2828, cal 470. very similar to the 2846/2848 case shape but smaller at 32mm. Note the "beefy" lugs
Bottom right is a 1951 2576, cal 342. Which along with the 2491, was the same case used for the first Seamasters.
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The case is wrong for a seamaster, the lugs are too thin & the snap back on the case is different.
Early Seamasters had beefier lugs & were automatics. This is more similar to something like a 2318 or 2348 case. Besides, it's a redial.

Top 2 in the pic are bumpers, note the shape of the lugs, these are specific to bumpers.

Bottom left is a 1957 2828, cal 470. very similar to the 2846/2848 case shape but smaller at 32mm. Note the "beefy" lugs
Bottom right is a 1951 2576, cal 342. Which along with the 2491, was the same case used for the first Seamasters.

Beautiful watches you have there! I especially like that Seamaster... 😀
 
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I have a watch with an 11.5M serial number that was identified as being from 1950 by Omega Museum.

This watch is slightly later than that, probably still 1950. Maybe early 1951. Can’t go by movement dating here, as it’s the cases that make them Seamaster, not the movements.

I think some case references had the engraving at this time and some did not. It’s very hard to identify early Seamsters as they don’t have any branding at the beginning (1948-9).
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I think we mainly agree and your information regarding the serial numbers is very interesting. I said I have seen late 1940s Seamasters, but maybe I just saw 1950s Seamasters, officially released in 1948/49?

Even OMEGA list late 1940s Seamaster watches with branded dial on their website:

https://www.omegawatches.com/de/watch-omega-seamaster-omega-ot-2518

Here one discussed on OF:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-seamaster-ck-2518-with-343-rg-movement.2405/

And here a beautiful piece sold on OF, with the "Seamaster" appearing to have been printed on the dial later (by factory, no redial):

https://omegaforums.net/threads/seamaster-chronometre-ref-2518-cal-343rg-waffle-dial-18kt.69860/
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Here’s more no-name Seamaster advertising:


Don’t know what to tell you, except that I know that these Ref. 2627 cases have plain backs.
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The case is wrong for a seamaster, the lugs are too thin & the snap back on the case is different.
Early Seamasters had beefier lugs & were automatics. This is more similar to something like a 2318 or 2348 case. Besides, it's a redial.

Top 2 in the pic are bumpers, note the shape of the lugs, these are specific to bumpers.

Bottom left is a 1957 2828, cal 470. very similar to the 2846/2848 case shape but smaller at 32mm. Note the "beefy" lugs
Bottom right is a 1951 2576, cal 342. Which along with the 2491, was the same case used for the first Seamasters.
Would you have some more information about this black dial bumper on the top right (case number, caliber etc)? I couldn't find this specific dial anywhere else! I was considering buying one but gave up because there was not the circle inside the numbers i see on most models. Thx
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Would you have some more information about this black dial bumper on the top right (case number, caliber etc)? I couldn't find this specific dial anywhere else! I was considering buying one but gave up because there was not the circle inside the numbers i see on most models. Thx

Plenty of 3, 6, 9 dials on bumpers, especially the 2635 reference. Just not in black because it's a redial 😀