Help / advice - OMEGA SEAMASTER 600 ARABIC

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I'm saying: You're wrong. IN isolation it is subjective, in aggregate, it is not. There is a reason that a SS AP or a Patek are worth multiples of what a Rolex or Omega is worth. They aren't more expensive to make, or made of better materials, etc. It is because the market's taste, in aggregate, has determined that they are 'better', and thus there is an OBJECTIVE preference for them.

In the case of indices: The same is true. Stamped indices are a turn off to much of the market, and thus cause significantly less value to the watches, this is the market showing an OBJECTIVE superiority to applied indices.

I pointed out: This is so common that what you're doing above ("my opinion is my opinion, design is all subjective!") is a trope here. People come in all the time to defend their position on watch forums about things like this, then realize why they were wrong.



Almost like you got what you paid for! If ONLY you'd not thought that valuations were 'subjective and just as good!' you could have spent the money paying a real evaluation service!
Most replies here have actually been very helpful, and I'm grateful.

You and I are talking about two different things though. Price is a vote tally, driven by brand, scarcity, condition, and fashion. Design preference is whether a layout appeals once it clears basic objectives like legibility and proportion. I am not claiming prices are random. I am saying popularity and allocation do not settle whether print or applied looks better.

Going back to my original question, I was never asking for a running commentary on whether this dial is ugly, but whether it is feasible to find something similar at sensible money within the next three weeks, and where to look.
 
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Most replies here have actually been very helpful, and I'm grateful.

You and I are talking about two different things though. Price is a vote tally, driven by brand, scarcity, condition, and fashion. Design preference is whether a layout appeals once it clears basic objectives like legibility and proportion. I am not claiming prices are random. I am saying popularity and allocation do not settle whether print or applied looks better.

Going back to my original question, I was never asking for a running commentary on whether this dial is ugly, but whether it is feasible to find something similar at sensible money within the next three weeks, and where to look.
And the response you got was "you could get something like that for like $300, but why would you want to".
 
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And the response you got was "you could get something like that for like $300, but why would you want to".
I’m starting to feel a little embarrassed on your behalf.
 
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feasible to find something similar at sensible money within the next three weeks, and where to look.
You would need to get very lucky. Where to look? Everywhere. You are competing with everyone, including people with a lot of experience and personal connections. This thread was worth a shot as a backdoor WTB post, but if nobody has contacted you yet by PM, you will need to widen your net, or step up with some cash. Nobody is looking to give a stranger a great bargain.

The rule is generally "fast, good, or cheap ... you can have two out of three." Since you found the watch you like already, you should probably just haggle a bit and buy it. That's what professional dealers are for; they have watches immediately available at high prices. If you are price-sensitive, then you generally need to be patient, flexible, risk-tolerant, and opportunistic. Scour obscure auctions, forum sales listings, take your chances on eBay listings with poor photos, etc. To get one good watch at a good price based on internet photos, one often has to buy three and sell two.
 
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You would need to get very lucky. Where to look? Everywhere. You are competing with everyone, including people with a lot of experience and personal connections. This thread was worth a shot as a backdoor WTB post, but if nobody has contacted you yet by PM, you will need to widen your net, or step up with some cash. Nobody is looking to give a stranger a great bargain.

The rule is generally "fast, good, or cheap ... you can have two out of three." Since you found the watch you like already, you should probably just haggle a bit and buy it. That's what professional dealers are for; they have watches immediately available at high prices. If you are price-sensitive, then you generally need to be patient, flexible, risk-tolerant, and opportunistic. Scour obscure auctions, forum sales listings, take your chances on eBay listings with poor photos, etc. To get one good watch at a good price based on internet photos, one often has to buy three and sell two.
Very helpful, thank you
 
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When I wanted to buy my brother a birth year watch for his April birthday, I started looking the previous September. I won a good example within a couple months (eBay no-reserve auction) and sent it off to be serviced (upgraded with jewels in the autowinding mechanism and new crown seals) by a specialist watchmaker in another country. That took 4-5 months. Unfortunately, it was jostled during shipping, and I when I was checking it carefully, the date didn't turn over properly, so I needed to have my local watchmaker adjust it. I managed to get the watch to my brother just in time for his birthday.
 
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I’ll suggest an alternative. Tell your brother you have an idea for his birthday but it may take a few months. Then take your time to find a good one.

It’s one thing to overpay for a good example but to overpay for an average one just because you’re under time pressure is too far for me
 
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When I wanted to buy my brother a birth year watch for his April birthday, I started looking the previous September. I won a good example within a couple months (eBay no-reserve auction) and sent it off to be serviced (upgraded with jewels in the autowinding mechanism and new crown seals) by a specialist watchmaker in another country. That took 4-5 months. Unfortunately, it was jostled during shipping, and I when I was checking it carefully, the date didn't turn over properly, so I needed to have my local watchmaker adjust it. I managed to get the watch to my brother just in time for his birthday.
Did it go down well? With hindsight I should have started earlier, but it’s a bit of a last minute idea and he only recently started showing an interest.
 
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Did it go down well? With hindsight I should have started earlier, but it’s a bit of a last minute idea and he only recently started showing an interest.
He appreciated it greatly. However, in the subsequent years, I've learned that he really doesn't use it.
 
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I’ll suggest an alternative. Tell your brother you have an idea for his birthday but it may take a few months. Then take your time to find a good one.

It’s one thing to overpay for a good example but to overpay for an average one just because you’re under time pressure is too far for me
That’s not a bad idea. I seem to remember the very thoughtful gift he gave me for my 30th was also few months late as well. Probably runs in the family.
 
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He appreciated it greatly. However, in the subsequent years, I've learned that he really doesn't use it.
This is unfortunately commonly the case :/ Watches make terrible gifts, it seems that whether it will 'vibe' with the person is such a personal choice that buying for someone is basically impossible to get right.

Heck, I have the same problem with watches I buy MYSELF, let alone for someone else. The unspoken secret is that 'gift' watches end up in a drawer 90% of the time.
 
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I just looked again at the eBay listing ... My first omega (about 16 years ago!) was almost identical. I got it NOS from a local store. It was a Geneve dial, but it was white with printed -over-stamped Arabic numerals like this one.

I fell out of love with it quickly(I wasn't kidding with my attempt at "tough love" above : they get old fast) so it only made it a few months on my wrist before I sold it to a buddy...

I should see if he still has it, I don't think he has worn it in a while , so maybe it is just in his watch case.

If a Geneve printed instead of SM600 is acceptable to OP, perhaps sit would fit his bill.
 
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I just looked again at the eBay listing ... My first omega (about 16 years ago!) was almost identical. I got it NOS from a local store. It was a Geneve dial, but it was white with printed -over-stamped Arabic numerals like this one.

I fell out of love with it quickly(I wasn't kidding with my attempt at "tough love" above : they get old fast) so it only made it a few months on my wrist before I sold it to a buddy...

I should see if he still has it, I don't think he has worn it in a while , so maybe it is just in his watch case.

If a Geneve printed instead of SM600 is acceptable to OP, perhaps sit would fit his bill.


My friend actually saw this thread and gave me a call! We had a nice catch-up after not talking in years! Unfortunately he had the same experience as me and moved on from that watch quite a while back, and sold it to a shop, so he had no idea where it is now.

Sorry OP! Shoulda asked before getting hopes up
 
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I just looked again at the eBay listing ... My first omega (about 16 years ago!) was almost identical. I got it NOS from a local store. It was a Geneve dial, but it was white with printed -over-stamped Arabic numerals like this one.

I fell out of love with it quickly(I wasn't kidding with my attempt at "tough love" above : they get old fast) so it only made it a few months on my wrist before I sold it to a buddy...

I should see if he still has it, I don't think he has worn it in a while , so maybe it is just in his watch case.

If a Geneve printed instead of SM600 is acceptable to OP, perhaps sit would fit his bill.
Not sure about yours, but some of those Geneve's have that flat utilitarian case with no bezel. The SM600 at least has a nicer case, although the very skinny bezel feels a bit out of proportion and doesn't look great with the tall crystal.
 
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Not sure about yours, but some of those Geneve's have that flat utilitarian case with no bezel. The SM600 at least has a nicer case, although the very skinny bezel feels a bit out of proportion and doesn't look great with the tall crystal.
I thought it was the same as the one in the OP but you might be right. BUT I haven't seen it in a decade, so my memory could be wrong. Either way, I don't know where it is now (see above), so I'm no help.
 
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Flattered you think that was AI.

Many replies have been genuinely helpful, thank you. A couple were dripping with superiority and missed the question. You can hold a view on design without knowing every sourcing trick. I have taken the pricing points on board. Design judgement is, by nature, subjective, and I will not apologise for saying so.
You are the latest in a long line who took posts too personally. There are real experts replying, and you asked the question, so yeah they feel like they can post their opinion. You don't like that they don't like what you like, and I get that, but calling their posts names is not helpful. Ignore the advice you aren't going to take, no need to bring morality into it.
 
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Obviously not alternatives he'll necessarily like as well, but I saw these two in our classifieds for much cheaper that are quite a bit more collectable/valuable, and are both stunners (and have similar design cues):

Nicer in part because it is a more modern size. Painted/Printed indices that are lovely in their complexity.

Similar size to the original, again fewer indices, but applied and stunning.


Posting more as; BOTH are more desirable than the one in OP, so they should give a good idea of value/reasonable price.
 
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Obviously not alternatives he'll necessarily like as well, but I saw these two in our classifieds for much cheaper that are quite a bit more collectable/valuable, and are both stunners (and have similar design cues):

Nicer in part because it is a more modern size. Painted/Printed indices that are lovely in their complexity.

Similar size to the original, again fewer indices, but applied and stunning.


Posting more as; BOTH are more desirable than the one in OP, so they should give a good idea of value/reasonable price.
The first dial is repainted, and I'm on the fence about the second. Maybe the second is ok, but the Seamaster is unusually bold. And it's stamped, although that's not a problem for the OP.

FWIW, I find a mix of numbers and markers to be appealing. Also, numerals in a radial configuration. Omega has many combinations. These are older, of course, but they also feature cases with nicer proportions. Alternating (printed) arabic numbers and straight lines represents the prototypical Bauhaus dial design, IIRC.

And in the context of SM600 models, while not my favorite case style, I would say that some of the technical dial Omega watches have a similar aesthetic, though without numerals.

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The first dial is repainted, and I'm on the fence about the second.
Awe, sad. Got distracted by the photos :/
 
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Obviously not alternatives he'll necessarily like as well, but I saw these two in our classifieds for much cheaper that are quite a bit more collectable/valuable, and are both stunners (and have similar design cues):

Nicer in part because it is a more modern size. Painted/Printed indices that are lovely in their complexity.

Similar size to the original, again fewer indices, but applied and stunning.


Posting more as; BOTH are more desirable than the one in OP, so they should give a good idea of value/reasonable price.
Funnily enough I had bookmarked the 2nd one. The minor retouching makes me wonder if other things aren't quite right though.