Help! 105.012 Hands Relumed?

ct1824 · Dec 13, 2017

So I came across this Speedy, and the dealer mentioned that the "white baton hands" are later replacements, but that the "hands are original to the watch and their tritium is consistent with the dial".
I can't figure out if this means that the tritium was relumed, or just happened to aged the same as the older dial.
Any ideas? I'm trying to figure out how this impacts value, as the rest of this watch is original, and the case is superb.
Thanks for any advice!

maxbelg · Dec 13, 2017

I'd think the dealer means the hands were replaced some time ago with tritium hands which have since aged with the watch... Whether that's true is another question. The watch looks great though! Is it a 105.012-66?

ct1824 · Dec 13, 2017

UPDATE: Dealer just told me that their "extended" description was copied/pasted from an older watch, and is inaccurate. The hands are 100% original apparently.

ct1824 · Dec 13, 2017

maxbelg
I'd think the dealer means the hands were replaced some time ago with tritium hands which have since aged with the watch... Whether that's true is another question. The watch looks great though! Is it a 105.012-66?

Yep! A 105.012-66CB!

Davidt · Dec 13, 2017

If it's a CB, the case certainly isn't superb.

Nla91 · Dec 13, 2017

It’s a HF. Must be a mistake from the dealers side.

I think it’s a superb example. Has been sold before. Very very few left in that condition.

ct1824 · Dec 13, 2017

Nla91
It’s a HF. Must be a mistake from the dealers side.

A superb example. Has been sold before. Very very few left in that condition.

Yeah, upon looking at the case back, it's an HF. Dealer said it was a CB, plus mistakenly stated than hands were replacements. Not too sure if all these "mistakes" make me wary to buy this.
How big would the price difference be between a CB and HF? Any reason a dealer would make such a simple mistake?

oddboy · Dec 13, 2017

Dealers don't know everything. You'd think checking the reference would be simple enough though.

Movement number is in the expected range for the ref?

Looks nice from here.

Nla91 · Dec 13, 2017

I wouldn't worry either. They list many watches, so a copy/paste probably happens. Don't rely too much on the text. Look at the pictures - they will tell.

Seaborg · Dec 13, 2017

It's a super nice one (I also think HF)!

Davidt · Dec 13, 2017

Nla91
I wouldn't worry either. They list many watches, so a copy/paste probably happens. Don't rely too much on the text. Look at the pictures - they will tell.

So dealers charge a premium for their pieces and can't be arsed to write individual descriptions, meaning the text is basically worthless, but that's ok - it's down to us to figure it out ourselves from the pictures???

MaiLollo · Dec 13, 2017

C ct1824
Yeah, upon looking at the case back, it's an HF. Dealer said it was a CB, plus mistakenly stated than hands were replacements. Not too sure if all these "mistakes" make me wary to buy this.
How big would the price difference be between a CB and HF? Any reason a dealer would make such a simple mistake?

To adress your point, I don't think the market differenciates HF or CB cased 66s. At least, when I was looking for a 105.012, I didn't care 😀

Tubber · Dec 13, 2017

Davidt
So dealers charge a premium for their pieces and can't be arsed to write individual descriptions, meaning the text is basically worthless, but that's ok - it's down to us to figure it out ourselves from the pictures???

That is especially pertinent when the watch in question looks like the EW US$19.5K one on EBay.

maxbelg · Dec 14, 2017

C ct1824
.......How big would the price difference be between a CB and HF?.....

Personally I wouldn't pay extra for a CB case even if it get's some extra attention. As a matter of fact I think the CB lugs are not quite finished yet and need some more work to avoid the funny polishing line..........😗

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