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Have anyone else been forced to move their listings to the dealer section as an entusiast?

Archer
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Suppose a person who is generally not seen as a commercial seller knew the volume trigger in advance

Not the person I would be concerned about...

SpikiSpikester SpikiSpikester
We already get plenty of unreasonable messages from dealers who don't want to post in the Dealer section.
 
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As far as I am concerned the Mods here owe no one nothing.

If you don't like it, leave.

You can even start your own forum.
I bristle when I see a statement like this. The OP didn’t state that he didn’t like it, he asked a simple question. I saw nothing in it that deserving of such a response.

No, the mods owe nothing to anyone here, but this is a community and I believe we all feel a level of personal investment in the health of the forum. Part of that is being able to civilly discuss what is perceived as a new policy or unwritten existing policy (or be it a formula used by the mods that was news to many of us until this thread) so there is a common understanding of the house rules. Someone’s ignorance of an unwritten policy or etiquette, I don’t think is worthy of harsh statements, but rather education.
 
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The OP didn’t state that he didn’t like it, he asked a simple question.

As much as I understand your sentiment, do you think he would be asking that question if he was alright with this?

This discussion has come up before, but for the most part when this happens, people do as they are asked and move on, or it gets handled via PM's with mods.
 
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As much as I understand your sentiment, do you think he would be asking that question if he was alright with this?

This discussion has come up before, but for the most part when this happens, people do as they are asked and move on, or it gets handled via PM's with mods.
I guess I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
 
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I am just really surprised to see people don’t visit the dealer sales regularly. You skip @sgrossma, @mr.kaplan and @ndgal among others? They regularly post some of the best material on the site IMO.
 
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I am just really surprised to see people don’t visit the dealer sales regularly.

Too many bumps, too often. Too much 'gray market Rolex' and the like. Too much chaff, not enough wheat.
 
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I am just really surprised to see people don’t visit the dealer sales regularly.

Too many bumps, too often. Too many pieces priced out of my league. Dealer Sales is too frustrating of a forum to page through.
 
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As much as I understand your sentiment, do you think he would be asking that question if he was alright with this?

Maybe like me, he was looking for clarification as to why the decision was made.
 
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There are many watches listed in the private forum that many of us wouldn't normally see in the wild, online or anywhere. If the member doing the listing is relegated to the dealers forum, a forum that many of us don't visit often, then those oft not seen watches won't be seen.

This isn't even about sales, but for people who like the history of watches and seeing the rare, unusual or scarce those watches getting lost in a sea of Rolex and Speedmasters won't help anyone looking for something different.

I've lost count the number of times I've been contacted about a watch I've listed and the member wasn't even looking for that particular watch but saw the listing and felt intrigued enough to PM me. Sometimes they buy, many times they don't, but we always end up having a great discussion about the watch.

I know Speedmasters are sacrosanct here and God forbid anyone bump into the pedestal they rest on, but it's nice to open up the sales forum and have a holy hell! moment when you see something different.
 
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but it's nice to open up the sales forum and have a holy hell! moment when you see something different.

speak for yourself: I sometimes have to avoid it, and WRUW, the same way I avoid brothels, casinos, and fast food 😉
 
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There are many watches listed in the private forum that many of us wouldn't normally see in the wild, online or anywhere. If the member doing the listing is relegated to the dealers forum, a forum that many of us don't visit often, then those oft not seen watches won't be seen.

This isn't even about sales, but for people who like the history of watches and seeing the rare, unusual or scarce those watches getting lost in a sea of Rolex and Speedmasters won't help anyone looking for something different.

I've lost count the number of times I've been contacted about a watch I've listed and the member wasn't even looking for that particular watch but saw the listing and felt intrigued enough to PM me. Sometimes they buy, many times they don't, but we always end up having a great discussion about the watch.

I know Speedmasters are sacrosanct here and God forbid anyone bump into the pedestal they rest on, but it's nice to open up the sales forum and have a holy hell! moment when you see something different.

It works both ways. There is plenty of run of the mill and overpriced stuff that trickles through to the main section that I would prefer not to see. Plenty of private guys thinking they can price a watch for the same, if not more than an established brick and mortar dealer - without a warranty or return policy. Plenty of the same stuff you will see in the dealer section, anyway.

Whereas there can be interesting stuff in the dealer section that you are completely missing.
 
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Maybe like me, he was looking for clarification as to why the decision was made.

Better done via PM with the mods, in my view.
 
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There are many watches listed in the private forum that many of us wouldn't normally see in the wild, online or anywhere. If the member doing the listing is relegated to the dealers forum, a forum that many of us don't visit often, then those oft not seen watches won't be seen.

I am confused.... so the Mods should not have this rule so that you dont have to be bothered to scroll through the other sales section? Its really not that hard, takes just a minute to look at the avatars and skip the big 4 dealers if you want...
 
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Of course the “free to good home” posts do get much less attention 😁
 
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I wasn't involved in this, so don't @ me...

What a great line!!!

This should go into the top ten of the OF.
 
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If you’re moving the kind of volume where you are moved to the professional sellers forum, it seems to me that WUS would be a better place for selling.
 
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Some very nice watches some through the dealer section, so I'm happy if the rest of you lot stay away. Here's hoping we get some more kicked over that direction.

Good hunting! 👍
 
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Whereas there can be interesting stuff in the dealer section that you are completely missing.
I love scrolling through the Watches for Sale section because there are often sub $1,000 gems in it.

WhatYourWatchSay WhatYourWatchSay
I know Speedmasters are sacrosanct here and God forbid anyone bump into the pedestal they rest on, but it's nice to open up the sales forum and have a holy hell! moment when you see something different.
Yes, the Watches for Sale section is flooded by the same repetitive dealers selling new high priced watches, but that’s what makes it easy to quickly scroll this section. These same dealers often simultaneously list/bump ~5 listings in on go. Once you become familiar with the profile pics of the dealers (it’s really easy as it’s the same few over and over again), you can quickly weed those listings out by scrolling quickly and paying attention to repeating patterns (profile pics). An odd one off profile pic easily stands out in this way of scrolling, and it’s these listings I open. These listings often get snapped up quick too. I’ve missed out on a lot of gems in this section.
 
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Some very nice watches some through the dealer section, so I'm happy if the rest of you lot stay away. Here's hoping we get some more kicked over that direction.

Good hunting! 👍

Many dealers are just collectors who can't afford to keep everything they find.

It's not such a terrible thing to be called a dealer. The few I am privileged to know have taught me alot and offered me beautiful pieces that I never would have found on my own.

Just me, but I don't quite understand the fuss.

I do find it a bit amazing that this thread was even allowed to exist. I would @ the mods to congratulate them for their tolerance but some of them don't like being @-ed. 😉
 
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Better done via PM with the mods, in my view.
The public discussion is a great way to clarify the policy that would be difficult to define in a single statement. I was certainly happy to learn from it.
 
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Make all sales, dealers section. Solves everything 😉
 
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Make all sales, dealers section. Solves everything 😉
Maybe we could split the two sections into “Cool stuff” and “Things that bore me”.
 
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