Has anyone in the UK made a purchase from the EU for more than £135?

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An explanation why UK customers wont be getting small parts from overseas.

The frustrating thing is, as a democracy, all the UK people have to do is find a way to tell the overlords they dont want it. I have a feeling its a punishment to the British people by their overlords for voting for Brexit. One of many small punishments to say, "I told you so, serfs, next time listen to your leaders"

Err ... except the people in charge at the moment are the same people who supported, encouraged and made Brexit happen??

No, I suspect it’s something my O-level history teacher told me years ago, “when faced with conspiracy vs cock-up, about 100% of the time, it’s usually a cock-up”... all of this was known before, even if due to bungling and incompetence, it wasn’t communicated, acknowledged or planned for...
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An explanation why UK customers wont be getting small parts from overseas.
He spoke for a long time and I scanned it but he seems to say that he won't sell to UK because he doesn't like collecting the VAT for the UK government.

I suppose he will stop selling to all EU states this summer as well. It's his business and he can do as he wishes, obviously. If I understand the new law correctly, from the EU site:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/modernising-vat-cross-border-ecommerce_en


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Unlike today, when the import scheme is used, the seller will charge and collect the VAT at the point of sale to EU customers and declare and pay that VAT globally to the Member State of identification in the OSS. These goods will then benefit from a VAT exemption upon importation, allowing a fast release at customs.

The introduction of the import scheme goes hand in hand with the abolition of the current VAT exemption for goods in small consignment of a value of up to EUR 22. This is also in line with the commitment to apply the destination principle for VAT.
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Seems like everyone is tightening up on these rules meaning more paperwork for all.

Cheers, Chris
 
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Ok here we go..

From a dealers point of view who runs 3 e-commerce sites and ships worldwide.

From Jan 1st we all know the UK left the EU. When it comes to the VAT its becoming a minefield. There is no clear solid info no matter what you read.

Everything has to have a customs declaration, country of origin, HS code, EORI and VAT number if you are a business. If you dont have any of these on the declaration you risk the package being stopped. A currier company told me that if one package in a skid is missing this info, the entire skid (palette to you and i) is fully delayed until all the info has been supplied.

Then there is the postal service - They are simply not geared up for this amount of customs clearance and paperwork. It's not only delaying packages but also leading to the loss of many items. To date I am at 61 small packages that have simply gone missing inn transit, with no sign of anything turning up.

Even Royal Mail Special Delivery is not running on time.

One thing I will say is that it's not helping anyone this side or the EU side in items being delivered without charges.

BE PREPARED TO PAY VAT AND DUTIES! There is no longer FREE TRADE! This is not me on a political rant, this is me stating what is happening to my EU and UK shipments, both to and from - it's not great at all.
 
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@ChrisN

In the case of the NY guy on the video and others in a similar position, the UK could have applied its existing rules for non-EU internet/mail orders, which say that VAT is added as goods enter the UK. But the government didn’t have the capacity to manage such a move if it also added all EU good coming into the U.K., and so it decided to force all foreign sellers to register for UK VAT to sell to British customers.

That said, I also expect all countries to significantly tighten up on internet sales and taxes, both for purchase of goods and for corporate taxes, due to both the shift on line and to pay for COVID-19 related shortfalls and spending.
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Ps: If anyone has specific questions, please send me a PM - my team includes U.K. and EU Customs & VAT Tax specialists, and global trade lawyers and I’m happy to get an answer
 
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@ChrisN

In the case of the NY guy on the video and others in a similar position, the UK could have applied its existing rules for non-EU internet/mail orders, which say that VAT is added as goods enter the UK. But the government didn’t have the capacity to manage such a move if it also added all EU good coming into the U.K., and so it decided to force all foreign sellers to register for UK VAT to sell to British customers.

That said, I also expect all countries to significantly tighten up on internet sales and taxes, both for purchase of goods and for corporate taxes, due to both the shift on line and to pay for COVID-19 related shortfalls and spending.
Your team clearly have much more experience than me in this area and I'm only slightly interested from a business point of view but, as I deal with EU and non EU countries, I'm just treating the EU countries the same as I used to treat non EU. It has all been seamless for me as it seemed obvious what was needed in my case but my volume is small.

The EU directive I linked to should have come in last summer but was delayed by the pandemic. They will now introduce it this summer and, as far as I can see, it will make the EU rules essentially the same as those now being applied by the UK. The UK only ended up being the first to introduce this because of the delay. Do you understand the same as me about that directive?

Thanks for your efforts in this.

Cheers, Chris
 
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Three incidents
Purchased a watch at a German auction £500+ in duty fees!
Bought sevond hand parts on eBay from Spain for €160, £54 fees !
Then to top it all a new Dan Henry from their website at $270 has cost me another £56 as it was shipped from Poland!

Not a good week for me but great for the treasury AND shipping agents !
Where was all this in the Brexit deal ?

Just can’t see on vintage why tax is paid twice!

certainly think long and hard about foreign buys in the future
 
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Ps: If anyone has specific questions, please send me a PM - my team includes U.K. and EU Customs & VAT Tax specialists, and global trade lawyers and I’m happy to get an answer
 
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Hi
Have been hit hard on a vintage watch purchase from a German auction
Duty and fees of £560!
How can a second lot of tax be charged on an item that has already been subject to it when new?
Any help appreciated as I’m really hacked off
Cheers
 
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Hi
Have been hit hard on a vintage watch purchase from a German auction
Duty and fees of £560!
How can a second lot of tax be charged on an item that has already been subject to it when new?
Any help appreciated as I’m really hacked off
Cheers
You have my sympathy and think we all share your frustration. Unfortunately I believe this is the new world we live in post-Brexit
 
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Yes, exactly this...VAT is a consumption tax and when we were in the EU, our VA and customs border was the external boundary of the EU, which we were inside. The UK govt applies it to pretty much all products and services bought, with a few exceptions (see my earlier post). When we were in the EU, we were part of a the Single Market, so as far as the EU and hence UK was concerned, it didn't matter if you bought something from Madrid, or Munich, as long as it was sold in the EU, no additional VAT or customs was added as it had already been applied and paid for somewhere. That wasn't the case if you bought from outside the EU, say the US or Japan, when VAT and customs was applied, and added / charged by your on-line seller (eg eBay GSP), or collected by your courier.

Now we are outside the EU, this no longer applies. So you if you live in London and buy from someone in Manchester, then there are no additional charges, but that's no longer the case for Madrid or Munich- the UK govt, is , as far as it is concerned, not collected it's due, which it is now doing. It was one of the benefits fo being its he Single Market, and one of the reasons other countries have sought to join the EU. The UK get can chose when and what to apply VAT to, and could remove it or change the rate, but I doubt it will as its tax that raises a lot of revenue, and I'm not sure the UK could just waive it for EU goods.

All of this was known before, during and after the Referendum, and during negotiations, and was one of the reasons why some argued for staying in the Single Market and Customs Union or having a Norway style deal. Our Govt chose a harder Brexit, and this is the consequence, Why this wasn't communicated, understood more widely, and the country given more time to plan for it, is another debate..
Not sure why this was a response to my comments.
I have made it pretty clear in previous posts I fully understand the current situation, where it came from and that I have no brexit sympathies so why you feel you need to respond to me with a political lecture is beyond me I'm afraid.
 
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Hi @ChrisN

My understanding is slightly different, but I will check with my team on Monday. As fas I know, the EU directive is aimed at simplifying and clarifying intra-EU trading. For example, if a Spanish seller imports a watch from the US for sale to a German customer, which countries VAT rate / rules should apply, and who should is owed the VAT? What happens if the goods are sent directly to the customer rather than going through Spain? The Directive aimed to clarify and simplify this.

In terms of non-EU sellers collecting the relevant EU VAT/customs, my understanding is that the Directive provides a choice - non-EU sellers can elect to collect VAT, and if they do, then the goods will be marked as VAT paid and expedited through EU customs. Or customers and sellers can, as now, pay VAT and customs when goods arrive at the EU border, but the EU is saying that this will of course delay clearance. But like I said, let me check and confirm.

The UK government didn't offer this to the EU as it was concerned that customs/border forces would be overwhelmed if all goods had to be assessed and charged VAT/Customs at the UK border for EU and non-EU goods arriving into he UK. So it has made all sellers outside the UK apply and collect UK VAT/customs...

I think the best solution is for us to lobby for secondhand goods to be exempt, and/or the threshold lifted - I suggest everyone start writing to their MP....
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Not sure why this was a response to my comments.
I have made it pretty clear in previous posts I fully understand the current situation, where it came from and that I have no brexit sympathies so why you feel you need to respond to me with a political lecture is beyond me I'm afraid.

Apologies!!! I replied to the wrong post - I meant to reply to @rogerf who asked for an explanation as to why he was charged extra taxes on his purchases - I will correct it now
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@Roger F

VAT is a consumption tax and when we were in the EU, our VAT and customs border was the external boundary of the EU, which we were inside. The UK govt applies it to pretty much all products and services bought, with a few exceptions (see my earlier post). When we were in the EU, we were part of a the Single Market, so as far as the EU and hence UK was concerned, it didn't matter if you bought something from Madrid, or Munich, as long as it was sold in the EU, no additional VAT or customs was added as it had already been applied and paid for somewhere. That wasn't the case if you bought from outside the EU, say the US or Japan, when VAT and customs was applied, and added / charged by your on-line seller (eg eBay GSP), or collected by your courier.

Now we are outside the EU, this no longer applies. So you if you live in London and buy from someone in Manchester, then there are no additional charges, but that's no longer the case for Madrid or Munich- the UK govt, is, as far as it is concerned, has not collected VAT, which it is now doing. It was one of the benefits of being in the Single Market, and one of the reasons other countries have sought to join the EU. The UK Govt could choose when and what to apply VAT to, and could remove it or change the rate, but I doubt it will as it raises a lot of revenue, and I'm not sure the UK could just waive it for EU goods.

All of this was known before, during and after the Referendum, and during negotiations, and was one of the reasons why some argued for staying in the Single Market and Customs Union or having a Norway style deal. Our Govt chose a harder Brexit, and this is the consequence. Why this wasn't communicated, understood more widely, and the country given more time to plan for it, is another debate..
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How can a second lot of tax be charged on an item that has already been subject to it when new?

I literally LOL when I read that. Hilarious...
 
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Vote leave!🤨
Please - this has been a very informative thread which a couple of genuine experts have given their time to, for the real benefit of the community, not all of whom can be assumed either to know all this stuff, or to have the slightest interest in British politics. We really do not want this thread to get canned.
 
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Sigh ... being an Englishman, I’m now forced to be courteous to my French parents-in-law.

I’ll have to compliment their bust of Napoleon rather than take the piss as I usually do.

that is, if I want to use their address to receive any watches originating from Europe 😒 😬
 
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Sigh ... being an Englishman, I’m now forced to be courteous to my French parents-in-law.

I’ll have to compliment their bust of Napoleon rather than take the piss as I usually do.

that is, if I want to use their address to receive any watches originating from Europe 😒 😬

Well, it’s either that or back to watch smuggling...

 
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Well, it’s either that or back to watch smuggling...



That’s surely not a thing!! I thought that was only in looney tune cartoons?!

Oh lord ... “psst wanna buy a watch?”

What has happened to the world 🤪