God, I'm nervous ...

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The seller had no idea what he was selling. He told me he was a retired PE teacher who bought that new in 1972 and used it to referee football and rugby matches all through his working life. The bracelet was damaged in a football match and a local jeweller repaired it (maybe explaining the rolex endlinks). No idea where the wrong hands came from which makes me suspect the original seller was passing on a used watch as new. This seller was amazed at the interest his "little auction" was creating.

I'm half waiting for someone here to say they got it.

Ahh... that changes things a bit Jimmy... and explains the poor quality pictures ??? I'm looking at it in a different light now. To quote Speedmaster101; "the heart of the watch is in the dial". That being the case, it's a shame we can't see it clearly. If buyers are buying from a website, and not in person, it's vital to bring the beauty of the dial out in the photo's. Having had another look, the top picture is not too bad. Anyway he sold it, so the ad got the job done.

cheers. Jonathan.
 
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I was watching this too... £3k up until 15 minutes before... someone got something interesting.
 
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I was at an auction with this on my tablet. I think it held steady at £3.5-ish up until the last 20 minutes. Then it moved up into the 4's ... I was high bidder until 6 seconds before the end and never had a chance to even think about placing another bid. Snipers should be shot (when I've only got mobile internet to work with).
 
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I was at an auction with this on my tablet. I think it held steady at £3.5-ish up until the last 20 minutes. Then it moved up into the 4's ... I was high bidder until 6 seconds before the end and never had a chance to even think about placing another bid. Snipers should be shot (when I've only got mobile internet to work with).

On the plus side, you have £6k left to spend on something else. 😉
 
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On the plus side, you have £6k left to spend on something else. 😉
That's just what a few other people have said ... me, I think I'm down on the deal. Ah well, the casual hunt for something interesting goes on.
 
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No movement shot + has been used hard but not serviced for 45 years = what else is up for auction?
 
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No movement shot + has been used hard but not serviced for 45 years = what else is up for auction?
That's the only good part of this ... still ... I'd have been pretty happy to sink more money in it to bring it back to glory
 
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Having killed 3 Woolly Mammoths in the last 5 years I can well empathize with your feelings. It is something that is always anxiety provoking whether you are agonizing over a purchase or on the hunt. The truth is while it may be easier with time and experience there will always be a certain amount of fear, did I make my spear heavy enough, will the tip break, will I miss. In the end you make your throw and hope for the best. Nothing in life is guaranteed or without risk. It is the rewards that make life worth living. 👍

 
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That's just what a few other people have said ... me, I think I'm down on the deal. Ah well, the casual hunt for something interesting goes on.

There are always more watches... and the best ones appear when you least expect it.

As a wise squirrel once said to me, keep your powder dry, and some honey in the pot for those surprise watches.
 
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My own equation is LUCK = OPPORTUNITY + PREPAREDNESS which is basically the same thing
My Modification to your equation:
LUCK = 0.7(PREPAREDNESS )+ 0.3(OPPORTUNITY) + (PAHAWIS OPENER)^3
 
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... I'm going to buy something that is a gem in the rough or simply rough.

I get this feeling every time I do this and, most of the time, I'm right. My gut talks to me and I get the right end of the deal. Then there are the times that I just lose the bet ... find out I was wrong and consign it to the cost of my pupillage. For instance, last weekend I bought a lot for £10 sight unseen ... worth nothing. At the same sale, I bought a lot for £40, total value when I broke it down was £1300. Only, this one is £4000.

Years ago, I read an article that said men treat purchases like this the same way they would have treated hunting mammoth in millennia gone by. That the gut churning feeling and rush of adrenaline is exactly the same whether we're hunting a deal or hunting megafauna. Except, these days, we do it sitting down.

Right now, I think I'd rather be facing a woolly rhino ... at least that way I'd be certain of what I'm dealing with.

Do you all get the same rush?
Excellent comparison. Reading this, I imagined a street fighter battle--rugged mammoth hunter with spear vs. watch collector hunting deals. FIGHT!
 
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I'll take pitcher #3, Bob!
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It's always more fun pushing the red button once in a while.
It's foolish pushing the red button all the time.

 
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I have resolved myself to this now ...

afterall, replacing those endlinks means tracking down a pair of #6s; obviously the watch was messed with in 1972 and has an 861 hiding in there; the dial has had its feet filed down; the 7912 is damaged and the crown and pushers must have been wrong. It was a money pit and I'm glad I failed to win it.
 
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to me with all risks and all nice or bad surprises, that was worth a gamble for pounds 5060. kind regards. achim
 
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Hello Jim. D'ya know what mate? The more I read this stuff and learn from you blokes exactly how these trades happen, the more determined I am to try to avoid this.

At some point, I am going to have to sell my own 321, pre moon, Speedmaster and I want to replace it with a later watch that I can afford to own and maintain. When that time arrives, I'm going to try to work out some way of doing this to protect both myself and my buyer.

I know I can get a good price for my watch but I also want the purchaser to be as sure as possible that the item is of good quality and that it's a genuine, scam free, sale.

The way I see it, the two most obvious points to address are as follows:
A) The transactions often take place across international borders between parties who are unknown to one another.
B) The transactions often involve purchasing valuable, complex, functional items (watches) based on photographic and written information.

Fakk my old boots!!! When I see this written, down the combination of A) and B) is terrifying!

I've been buying and selling vintage US guitars for the last 35 years and I've never bought an instrument that I've not inspected and played at least once. Having said that, I do only buy and sell within the UK as shipping electric guitars and heavy amplifiers around the world is obviously not the same thing as posting a wrist watch.

Now I know this isn't practical for regular collectors who buy and sell all the time, but If it's possible, I'm going to try to combine my watch sale with a nice holiday to the US, Oz or where ever.😎

I would really like to sit down with the buyer and say "have a good look at the watch, here is the STS service document and Omega extract. If you are happy with everything, let's do the deal." I've often sold cars and guitars that way. We did the deal actually in a bank. The payment went across to my account, we shook hands and they took the item with it's documents home. Everybody's happy.😀

I know this obviously isn't a workable option for international collectors or sales involving lower value items, but I think (where watches are placed for sale on this site) this forum can serve to assist both parties to reduce the risk.

From what I've read, the more 'known' a vendor is the more confident members are when they see their sales post. I have seen watch sales on here where another reputable, respected member recommends the vendor or the item having actually seen it. I suppose It kind of places an unfair responsibility on the respected member to evaluate it accurately??? Maybe that kind of arrangement is too risky to implement for international sales transactions?

No doubt you blokes have pondered this many times and not solved it or else we wouldn't still be tiptoeing, worryingly through this internet trade minefield.
I'm just thinking aloud Jim???😕
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