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Day-Date is a Rolex convention... But... you may see an annual Calendar soon.....

True, but the Constellation day-dates seem to be called day-dates. Annual calendar on the Globemaster, with the month written in full at 12 would be nice. But it would have to keep its current size, not blow up completely. A sleek dress watch the wear with a suit.
 
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Day-Date is a Rolex convention.....

Seriously?
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Seriously?
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Yes....Seriously..

in 1956 Rolex introduced the first ever watch to display the Day of the week and the Date... it became their flagship model.
Of course Omega had their "Day Dates", this above model an example, and the Constellations... but remember that Omega's recent strategy is highlighting how much more technologically advanced and innovative it is compared to its rivals...
You cannot claim to be so much more advanced than Rolex, and at the same time use something they invented...
 
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I am not sure whether a Day-Date indication would look harmonious with the pie-pan dial on the Globemaster. Day-dates seem to work well with round cased watches. Curious about the annual calendar complication Superdoc just mentioned.
 
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Day-Date is a Rolex convention... But... you may see an annual Calendar soon.....

Really? What you hear about Doc? Any info on model line(globemaster?) it will fall into or if it will be a one in its own etc...? I don't care for the one on the sea master for some reason.

That would be freakin awesome regardless but I'm pretty sure my next large purchase is going to be a Patek 5167 or 5164. But things like the word annual calendar can sway a watch man a long way.
 
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I am not sure whether a Day-Date indication would look harmonious with the pie-pan dial on the Globemaster. Day-dates seem to work well with round cased watches. Curious about the annual calendar complication Superdoc just mentioned.

The Annual Calendar DeVille dial can somewhat give an idea what it would look like.
 
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Of course Omega had their "Day Dates", this above model an example...

It's not just example, it's MY watch [emoji57]

If we'll begin to remember who was first we can go to some 14 century or at least to monsieur Breguet. BTW, Rolex is pretty young company.
 
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It's not just example, it's MY watch [emoji57]

If we'll begin to remember who was first we can go to some 14 century or at least to monsieur Breguet. BTW, Rolex is pretty young company.

Alex, I love you, but are you suggesting that Rolex was not the first to produce a Day Date display wristwatch?
A young company, for sure, but you can't pretend that they didn't contribute to the world of horology... In fact Rolex is responsible for more than a few innovations... It wasn't always just about the marketing ..
 
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Seriously?
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I think that day window could look nice on the Globemaster, or as a month window. But the De Ville Annual - isn't it a bit big? I have to take a look at it - havn't seen it in the flesh.
 
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Alex, I love you, but are you suggesting that Rolex was not the first to produce a Day Date display wristwatch?
A young company, for sure, but you can't pretend that they didn't contribute to the world of horology... In fact Rolex is responsible for more than a few innovations... It wasn't always just about the marketing ..
I agree Rolex has invented a lot of stuff but don't perpetual calendars show day, date and year. If they count then Patek, VC and others would be before this date. Think 1956 was first time Rolex debut that complication.
 
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I agree Rolex has invented a lot of stuff but don't perpetual calendars show day, date and year. If they count then Patek, VC and others would be before this date. Think 1956 was first time Rolex debut that complication.

You are right Anselm, But no one said that the DayDate was a perpetual calendar...

Let me state it in terms that will hopefully not confuse this issue anymore, because facts really should not be subjected to debate, and because I think people are getting hung up on semantics, and are taking this thread's attention away from the globemaster.

So, in very easy to understand terms....

The only thing I am saying.... and saying without any judgement, bias, or interest in anything other than factual information....

Please check these facts for yourself before posting any reply other than "gee whiz, R.J., you're right"...

in 1956, the Rolex DayDate made its debut..
it was THE FIRST Wristwatch to display the DATE, and the DAY of the week SPELLED OUT IN WHOLE in a window on the dial..


Please, Please understand that I am not saying that Rolex invented the wristwatch, or the time-space continuum...

Say what you will about spelling the day in whole not being an added complication above displaying a three letter short form of the day... I agree with that.... but you cannot say that Rolex didn't do it first.... That part cannot be argued.

Rolex was the first to do what you see in Alex's Aqua Terra Daydate... Look in the future Omega line up... do you think we will ever see that again? Not so long as Omega sees itself as ahead of Rolex in innovation...

...and what is it @Nobel Prize says... "drop mike"... step off soap box...
 
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That's nuts.

And that is NOT a Drop Mike moment. 😀

So... I guess you didn't read that part about "gee whiz, you're right R.J." ....🙁
 
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So... I guess you didn't read that part about "gee whiz, you're right R.J." ....🙁

@Superdoc, I suggest you let this go. You are absolutely right on Rolex being first to have the full day written on the dial, and there is no point discussing this fact any further. I think all forum members appreciate the pre-Basel hints you feed out occasionally on this forum, and the possibility of there being additional complications for the Globemaster range certainly set several speculation neurons on overdrive😀

For the record I do not consider the official "Day-Date" to be a ground breaking complication invention from Rolex, but in aesthetics terms it does look better than just the abbreviated three capital letter day representation you see on several dials and definitely set a strong iconic design reference for Rolex that has been maintained until today. My personal taste limits my appreciation of annual calendars to old school styling you see in JLC, PP et al and even upcoming Montblanc, including a moonphase complication as part of the dial aesthetic.

From a functionality POV, I would value much more a decent GMT complication in the Globemaster, rather than an annual calendar, and I do think it would fit in nicely with the "Globemaster" name/theme, but then again I have no idea as to how Omega would work out the dial aesthetic...the bezel has already been taken up by the fluted design, so no space for the second time zone hour markers. A short inner GMT hand pointing to inner 24h markers, similar to the AT GMT might work on the pie-pan, but could also mess up the clean design of the dial.
 
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So... I guess you didn't read that part about "gee whiz, you're right R.J." ....🙁
I like the Gee Whiz part ;-). As always, love the info that RJ continues to provide about Omega and WIS related topics.

Now back to the Globemaster topic! Would like a GMT function on it as well more than date. I am traveling so much that a GMT or world timer would actually be very useful.
 
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@Riviera Paradise ... Good advice - officially let go..

and I agree with @anselmw ... back to Globemaster business.

I agree that GMT, or moon phase, or world timer more fits into the "Globemaster" theme... but I think that Omega will start to test the waters with more complicated watches by adding complications to their traditional Best sellers... which is why I think we're seeing the moonphase on the Speedmaster whereas I feel that a Moonphase complication would be a better fit on the Tresor.

Basel 2016 is going to provide us with a GMT model that will demand all of the GMT attention...

the Annual calendar seems to be the preferred Omega complication, I believe, but cannot say for sure, that the Basel '16 Annual Calendar Globemaster is going to be a little bigger (41mm) - so we'll have to see how well the current one, and the next one sell before they expand the line...

I will say that there are many high ups at Omega who are pushing for 'Minute repeaters', 'Perpetual calendars', etc...
the barriers to this are ... #1. Swatch group decides what they can and cannot do, and if they think that a Dress watch with Moonphase is 'BlancPain's' thing, then they veto the idea of Tresor Moonphase...

#2. they are still feeling for a ceiling... there is a big gap in the space between Gold PO and tourbillon... so there is a big question as to how much demand there is to fill that gap...

Most Omega sell in that SS mid-range...
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@Riviera Paradise ... Good advice - officially let go..

and I agree with @anselmw ... back to Globemaster business.

I agree that GMT, or moon phase, or world timer more fits into the "Globemaster" theme... but I think that Omega will start to test the waters with more complicated watches by adding complications to their traditional Best sellers... which is why I think we're seeing the moonphase on the Speedmaster whereas I feel that a Moonphase complication would better fit on the Tresor.

Basel 2016 is going to provide us with a GMT model that will demand all of the GMT attention...

the Annual calendar seems to be the preferred Omega complication, I believe, but cannot say for sure, that the Basel '16 Annual Calendar Globemaster is going to be a little bigger (41mm) - so we'll have to see how well the current one, and the next one sell before they expand the line...

I will say that there are many high ups at Omega who are pushing for 'Minute repeaters', 'Perpetual calendars', etc...
the barriers to this are ... #1. Swatch group decides what they can and cannot do, and if they think that a Dress watch with Moonphase is 'BlancPain's' thing, then they veto the idea of Tresor Moonphase...

#2. they are still feeing for a ceiling... there is a big gap in the space between Gold PO and tourbillon... so there is a big question as to how much demand there is to fill that gap...

Most Omega sell in that SS mid-range...

Fascinating background info Superdoc, thank you for posting. I actually think that the new Moonphase indication on the new Basel 2016 Metas Speedy demonstrates interesting design creativity, linking the complication to the space pedigree and technical achievements of the Speedmaster range. It is one of the most "masculine" renditions of a Moonphase complication I have ever seen.

On your comments about general branding within the Swatch group I would state that if Omega wants to occupy Rolex territory there is significant space to be filled in their range up to Rolex´s Day-Date 40. The Globemaster platinum is probably testing the water in that direction but only as a limited edition. I really think that they need to cut off Omega´s lower range of non METAS certified watches and stick to the US$6-$15K range (letting Longines expand from US$3k to US$6K), then once they consolidate at that level expand Omega´s upper range from US$15K up to US$25K.

I really think Blancpain is a very limited brand with the Fifty Fathoms as their one trick pony. I would certainly not allow Blancpain to limit Omega´s rise, but I would certainly not allow Omega to enter Breguet territory.

Swatch/Tissot, Longines, Omega and Breguet...those are the brands I would focus on and consolidate...if I were a Mr Hayek for a day😀

But as you correctly state we are going back on topic to the Globemaster.

The new Globemasters have finally arrived in sunny Rio at my local boutique (they are currently being shielded from the Zika virus😀). The boutique manager called me recently to take a look at them and I should find some time this week for a first impression post. Cheers.
 
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I really think Blancpain is a very limited brand with the Fifty Fathoms as their one trick pony. I would certainly not allow Blancpain to limit Omega´s rise, but I would certainly not allow Omega to enter Breguet territory.

That, to me, is a very surprising view of the Blancpain brand. While the 50 Fathoms is their iconic sport watch, the brand in it's modern incarnation is pretty well known for making complicated watches. Anything from retrograde watches, to alarm watches, GMT, equation of time pieces, to a very expensive Grande Complication piece:





Although some had issues with the way they counted the parts in the 1735, it does contain a lot of parts (744 by their count):



Although Omega has made a tourbillon, in terms of watchmaking prowess this one watch from Blancpain pretty much eclipses Omega by a wide margin in my mind. Maybe Superdoc knows of an Omega in the works that will have a perpetual calendar (with date, month, day of the week, and leap year), a moon phase indicator, a rattrapante (split second) chronograph, a minute repeater, quarter repeater, and of course a tourbillon? 😀

The new Globemasters have finally arrived in sunny Rio at my local boutique (they are currently being shielded from the Zika virus😀).

Tisk tisk...😉

Cheers, Al
 
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That, to me, is a very surprising view of the Blancpain brand. While the 50 Fathoms is their iconic sport watch, the brand in it's modern incarnation is pretty well known for making complicated watches. Anything from retrograde watches, to alarm watches, GMT, equation of time pieces, to a very expensive Grande Complication piece:





Although some had issues with the way they counted the parts in the 1735, it does contain a lot of parts (744 by their count):



Although Omega has made a tourbillon, in terms of watchmaking prowess this one watch from Blancpain pretty much eclipses Omega by a wide margin in my mind. Maybe Superdoc knows of an Omega in the works that will have a perpetual calendar (with date, month, day of the week, and leap year), a moon phase indicator, a rattrapante (split second) chronograph, a minute repeater, quarter repeater, and of course a tourbillon? 😀



Tisk tisk...😉

Cheers, Al

@Archer, you are (as is so often the case😀) absolutely right. I was aware that Blancpain did complications + dress watches etc. What I was trying to infer is that I believe they are generally known right now by the "general male public" (which translates to men with +US$15K to spare on a watch) as the "Fifty Fathoms" watch brand. I could be completely wrong, and this is a personal impression, but I really do think that Breguet is a better known brand for complications and Haute Holegerie and has been doing outstanding technical work recently. I do think it is a bit of a challenge for Swatch to maintain two overlapping Haute Holegerie brands within the group and not let Omega rise.
 
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@Riviera Paradise i travel a bit with work buisness class and read a lot of magazine,s at lounges and find there is more Blancpain advertising for dress watches and complications than the FF.

Can not say I can remember seeing a Breguet ad for a long while.

I do take notice of adds as last GQ or the like I read I flipped through after reading to count 19 full page watch adds

I know personally we have prescribed views on watch companies but surprising what people from other countries and walks of life have. Like Rolex in some countries subs sell by the bucket loads and others its date-just by the same bucket.

Funny in the work I do some times in the large vessel shipping world Ulysses is quiet well represented due to the nautical link. Most of these are mature Mariners that are at the top of their field.
Country wise I see a huge different in brand popularity 1-10 ladders.