Genuineness of a Heuer Bund

Hello 😀

I come once again to you in order to have some additional precious thoughts about a Heuer bund that came to my attention.
After some research, I have found that this model isn’t the most forged but a few details rung some bells.

The watch in general looks in very good condition. The dial has a really nice patina.
The writings on the dial look precise.
Some lume is missing on the minute hand.
The movement looks great.




Here are the points that make me suspicious:

I know that there are some dial variations but I have never found another example with stick minute track where the numbers are (5, 10,…). They always are square.



In addition, the military engraving on the back looks suspicious to me. Here again, I have never seen an example where the writings are horizontal (from the 3 o’clock to 9). It is always from 12 to 6.
Also it seems laser engraved. I don’t know if this method was used back then.



I don’t really know what to think about this watch. The engraving on the back is what looks the most likely tampered but I’m not an expert an these.
Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated ☕

In my opinion it is a putt together watch. Maybe original but full of service parts. Dial is considered a later replacement dial (with incomplete 2,4,8 and 10). However HEUER should be bigger I guess so it’s a bit weird for me also. The case (you forgot to mention this on your assessment) doesn’t have the facets next to the bezel (you can see those on the reference example you showed).

I heard once that there were a lot of spare parts of this model and that a few watch dealers were able to put entire watches together and flood the market with those watches. Pay attention to this


In sum, this would be an example I wouldn’t buy

hope that helped a bit but let other chime in

Search for brown-snout.com . Old, but still one of the best compilations . Your questioned strokes under the 5's and 10's markers exist. The cut off numerals as well. SINN was the dedicated repairer and refurbished many, many for the Government BUND auctions through VEBEG. In the last 30 years we have serviced over 150 examples of all dial, backengraving and movement markings or not , variety. Including the first variant by Leonidas. And I have bought through VEBEG and sold even more. So, if you are 100% sure, that the back is laser engraved, skip it.

Thanks to the both of you 👍
After checking the website, I have found a matching example regarding the dial :

The most likely scenario that happened to this watch would be a refurbishment by Sinn. The case has been replaced (hence the lack of steps on the lugs and the odd looking engraving)

Very nice example there 🙄

Just to follow up, I have found another element that seems to confirm the Sinn case refurbishment.

Here is a sinn example with the exact same engraving:



Source : https://www.sinn-uhrenforum.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=8995

Yours is a SINN refurbished one for the German Government auctions. Your Dial has the cut numerals and no small T over 6 o`clock. It is a service dial. The 2. number is a dedication to another part of the German Army/Airforce later in life.