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It’s not about the watches we know are dive watches it’s more how deep can you go with the first group on the chart? And still be covered if you have an issue! Nobody has actually been able to say so I’m saying it’s not fair to put 100m on those watches,

It's been said many times, but you refuse to listen...
 
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So all makers should put depth ratings on their watches that grossly understate their real capabilities, just because a few cheap brands might not pass a proper pressure test at the deeper rating?

Well not much logic in that idea...
No not at all just be fair and clear so the buyer can make the right choice
 
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No not at all just be fair and clear so the buyer can make the right choice

100 m means 100 m as I've told you. Can't get any fairer or clearer than that.
 
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It's been said many times, but you refuse to listen...
So what depth can I go to? If there are never issues what about the original poster?
 
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100 m means 100 m as I've told you. Can't get any fairer or clearer than that.
That’s not correct as you can see from the chart, perhaps you would fix or refund customers who went to the wrong depth and had a watch fail
 
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So what depth can I go to? If there are never issues what about the original poster?
That’s not correct as you can see from the chart, perhaps you would fix or refund customers who went to the wrong depth and had a watch fail
You are not listening this has been answered multiple times.

The OP had a QC error on a dive watch and was covered under warranty
 
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So what depth can I go to? If there are never issues what about the original poster?
No one said 'never' -- these are hand-assembled devices that reply on gaskets, mating surfaces, etc. that sometimes may have slight imperfections. The issue is whether or not it is covered by a warranty. The OP's watch appears to be covered.
 
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So what depth can I go to? If there are never issues what about the original poster?

You can go to the rated depth. There are obviously defective watches that can happen, but that's a different thing.

Clearly no point in continuing this discussion with you...
 
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My point from the start is that the industry use wording which I believe is misleading, so if I want to dive to 100m would my watch be waterproof at that depth if it says 100m, yes? But other factors would mean it may fail. And if I can’t dive to 100m how else would I be taking it 100m down......misleading
dude, You're really making it complicated.

First all the chart does not specify any depth either way, just says what type of diving it is rated for regardless of depth although Scuba diving and compression Diving do imply certain depths but hey. you can scuba on a pool!. The watch THEN stipulates what depth it is rated for.

So, the depth rating is just that....then there are added requirements like visibility, bezels etc etc that allow it to be tagged as a Proffesional tool for certain types of activities.

Some watch makers circumvent the whole thing by giving you the rating in atmospheres instead of meters. here are many tests for these watches where they surpass by 10% to 20% their rating. They are not being misleading.

In any event watches may be defective or misused. The argument I get from this whole thread is "perhaps the latest models PO's are not being "quality controlled" as much as in the past and may be more prone to defects" The other possible argument is "The OP is very very unlucky"
 
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No one said 'never' -- these are hand-assembled devices that reply on gaskets, mating surfaces, etc. that sometimes may have slight imperfections. The issue is whether or not it is covered by a warranty. The OP's watch appears to be covered.
Yes and I’m sure it’s a rare occurrence, which has been well dealt with by omega, whom by the way I think are one of if not the best brands out there, my issue has never been with them far from it, it’s more the way in which most of the watch manufacturer’s market their non dive models to lead more unsuspecting customers into thinking their buying a dive watch or similar when their not
 
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They are though!

Adam, AFAIK the ATs are actually promoted more as 'lifestyle' watches under the Seamaster family that have the ability to withstand 150m water resistance. For actual diving you have many other lines within the Seamaster range which posses the necessary additional features to claim to be a proper Diving Watch!

Similarly, several Speedmasters also boast 100m water resistance, but come with provisos like not operating the pushers underwater etc.; and there are quite a few threads here that discuss the same.

As with everything else, 'Caveat Emptor' and the Fine Print is key. Instead of lambasting each other, maybe try and understand what more seasoned, experienced members are trying (very hard I might ad) to explain....one of them is a friggin certified watchmaker for heaven's sake! And while no means infallible, I think it's wiser to defer to the individual who actually chose to do this for a living than trade opinions without a lot of evidence. 🙄

BTW. OP, 2nd time running into this issue is just horrible luck, sorry you've had to go through it. 🙁
 
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So what depth can I go to? If there are never issues what about the original poster?

What about the OP, exactly? Because some small number of people have had watches leak, it's the end of the world? Every single product made on this planet, there are defective examples of that make it into circulation. I guess you should never buy a TV because you can go on a forum for any make and model and find someone who says they brought it home and it blew up 20 minutes after they turned it on.

You're out of control, man. Completely. Everyone has explained to you in multiple ways why there's nothing worth worrying about here, yet you keep imagining there is. You didn't answer my question from my last post--if you're so concerned about it, I likewise know you must be able to explain to me how you or anyone goes swimming, even dives down to 80 or 90 meters, sees water in their watch afterward and has been denied warranty service. Go ahead, seriously, please explain to me how your Omega service center would have the first clue as to how deep you took your watch. All you say is, this watch was in fine working order, I took a dip in a lake, now look. If you're dumb enough to bother volunteering specifics--"Actually, Mr. Warranty Claim Rep, I sank myself all the way to the Laurentian abyss and this watch sprang a leak!" well, that's your problem.
 
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No one (apart from @Hotwheelbill) is saying it will fail. The watch will be fine at 100m. The issue is it can't be labelled as suitable for scuba as it doesn't have a uni directional bezel as required by ISO 6425.

One thing I'll partially agree with you on however, is the free diving section. I'm not sure why they separate it from simple immersion in water (down to specified depth rating).
I think...."think" it's because of lume and visibility as Free diving can take you to depths where there is less visibility...however the unidirectional bezel is not needed in free diving because you are really not going to care much about what the watch says in terms of time left or dive time left as you are gaging based on the size if your balls (basically) , nor do you need to measure de-compression times.
 
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So if it failed would I be covered by the manufacturer warranty ?
Yes, if it is a factory defect. Not if it is misuse (like leaving the crown unscrewed or having it damaged on a fall)
 
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dude, You're really making it complicated.

First all the chart does not specify any depth either way, just says what type of diving it is rated for regardless of depth although Scuba diving and compression Diving do imply certain depths but hey. you can scuba on a pool!. The watch THEN stipulates what depth it is rated for.

So, the depth rating is just that....then there are added requirements like visibility, bezels etc etc that allow it to be tagged as a Proffesional tool for certain types of activities.

Some watch makers circumvent the whole thing by giving you the rating in atmospheres instead of meters. here are many tests for these watches where they surpass by 10% to 20% their rating. They are not being misleading.

In any event watches may be defective or misused. The argument I get from this whole thread is "perhaps the latest models PO's are not being "quality controlled" as much as in the past and may be more prone to defects" The other possible argument is "The OP is very very unlucky"
I think he’s unlucky, I just believe it is not made clear that a watch that is advertised as 100m for example will not be recommended for that depth when you research it. The real dive watches will be fine I’m sure, it’s the ones that perhaps look like a dive watch, say 100m on but you shouldn’t use it that deep
 
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I am really confused reading this and coming from the Sales aspect every client I have personally dealt with have never been intrigued by the water resistance unless they know that they will be using it within water. Also its odd trying to understand your logic hotwheels and you have made it sound like you would be diving with a Speedmaster.... and those just don't go together, the Speedmaster moonwatch is designed with a water resistance of 50 meters, now does that mean you could dive with it? sure, do as you please, as the security of that timepiece is not equipped for the venture of an underwater excursion but again the consumer can do as they please as they own it. All of the DIVE pieces that omega produces meet the specifications of a Professional dive watch so you would use it for what its intended but no one ever does. Since you shop online you are your own sales person but you do have guidance, always feel free to call a boutique or come to the forums and get some questions you need answered, answered. You are fueling your logic with a "What If" scenario which is making you closed minded with a very broad open ended scenario where literally anything could be a response thus causing this debate to go pages and pages on the OP's thread.
 
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I'm going to leave it here as I don't want to be grouped in with the other chap, but a 300m rated watch can't be called a dive watch without the timing bezel. I get that and agree with it.

However, there is no such element for a free diving watch, apart from the depth rating.

According to Omegas own chart, the only difference between a watch rated for immersion and one rated for free diving is the depth rating. All I can't think here is that free divers regularly exceed 30/50m, so Omega specify a deeper rated watch for that activity.

What's crucial here though is that an Omega rated to 50m properly maintained, will be fine at that depth and you'll be fine with a warranty claim if it fails.

Hoteheels - you keep going on about misleading info/advertising on a big purchase but who/what is misleading?
Once again, I think the free diving distinction is on visibility and lume. It makes sense if you have ever free-dived
 
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Yes and I’m sure it’s a rare occurrence, which has been well dealt with by omega, whom by the way I think are one of if not the best brands out there, my issue has never been with them far from it, it’s more the way in which most of the watch manufacturer’s market their non dive models to lead more unsuspecting customers into thinking their buying a dive watch or similar when their not

Well said, gotta love an omega!