Fakes, Frauds and Decline of 18th C. British Watchmaking - fascinating video lecture

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Granted, this video isn’t for everyone. But, it’s a fascinating look into watchmaking around 1800 and the type of forensic analysis necessary when you’re looking to authenticate these old, pre machine age mechanisms.

The thesis is that a flood of inferior, fake English pocket watches in the late 18th century destroyed the high end British watchmaking industry. While these fakes said London on their main plates, they were cheaply made and, internally, looked nothing like the English watches they claimed to be.

The presenter is the first person to be awarded a doctorate in horology in the UK, and this is her doctoral thesis. She’s done a detailed analysis and established that these fakes, which look like Dutch manufacture, are actually the early foundations of Swiss watchmaking, sponsored by traveling Dutch merchants to undercut the English market in pocket watches.

 
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Super interesting, thanks for sharing! (If anyone is on the fence: watch it)
 
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That was very enlightening! The Q&A at the end had some great info there as well.
Thank you for sharing this @airansun, I would have never happened across it on my own.
 
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Naturally I went on a hunt for some of these pieces online, and yes it takes some refining your search terms to get a "Harry Potter" pocket watch that doesn't have wizards on it. This was one of the finds, so I would imagine the buyer had no idea what he was getting.
I can see a collecting subset of just these types of fakes actually.

"18th century English verge triple cased pocket watch, London 1772, the fusee movement signed Harry Potter, London, no. 104, pierced balance cock, silver regulating disc and square baluster pillars, signed enamel dial with Roman numerals, outer Arabic minute division and gilt Louis style hands, gilt leather stud middle case, shagreen outer case, case maker ‘I.H’, 55mm"
 
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Naturally I went on a hunt for some of these pieces online, and yes it takes some refining your search terms to get a "Harry Potter" pocket watch that doesn't have wizards on it. This was one of the finds, so I would imagine the buyer had no idea what he was getting.
I can see a collecting subset of just these types of fakes actually.

"18th century English verge triple cased pocket watch, London 1772, the fusee movement signed Harry Potter, London, no. 104, pierced balance cock, silver regulating disc and square baluster pillars, signed enamel dial with Roman numerals, outer Arabic minute division and gilt Louis style hands, gilt leather stud middle case, shagreen outer case, case maker ‘I.H’, 55mm"

Hot damn!

There’s that bridge. Nicely done. 👍

It does look crude in comparison to the real stuff.
 
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I’m glad this worked out for people.

It can be hard for me to judge sometimes. I find all sorts of obscure stuff fascinating.

(It’s a shame my wife doesn’t share this flaw.)
 
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I don't collect pocket watches or really know much about them, but was intrigued by the title of your post and the concept of history repeating in terms of a thriving industry for fake watches even back then. You can see I'm still thinking about it today and went down a research rabbit hole, so well done!
 
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I'm thinking this watch case would have suited the Hogworts aesthetic perfectly.