Fake Warning - Seamaster 300 With Coaxial 8400 Style Movement Cover

Nobel Prize · May 7, 2015

P PatrickJ
The De Ville and Constellation had been icons back in the day. But what about the modern watches? The modern De Ville looks great, I really like the entry level stainless steel one with the 2500 in. I like dress watches more and at £2280 new it is a great buy. However, could never own one. They are none on ebay that tells me no one wants this watch and resale is non existent. The modern constalation in my opinion looks like a ladies watch, no love or thought into this modern version, it could not compare to the classic version. The resale is not necessarily only to do with money, it is the collective confidence and love people have in products that determines the value. The value of a product is what people are prepared to pay for it based on its quality, continuity and history.

I'm the exact opposite to you. If I loved the DeVille and it's price point as much as you say here then I'll buy it on a second. The fact that there are not many for resale or its not as popular or can't be flipped as much would, if anything, encourage me to hug something awesome that has some uniqueness and originality.

I don't buy to flip, I buy watches to wear and own. If I sell at a later day that'seckbdary to me. To buy thinking of selling spots it to me. I'd feel like working rather than hobbying. Like a developer.

Incidentally I do love the modern DeVille, but I have my eye on the hand wound limited edition portofino they have at IWC. Also I'm not huge on precious metals but I like the white gold DeVille and I rather wait for a bit because I'm way over budget on purchases right now.

PatrickJ · May 7, 2015

dennisthemenace
Destroying what exactly? I don't think any member here is going to unwittingly buy a fake watch, they know the difference between fake and real. If they are in doubt about the legitimacy of a watch they will ask questions and do some homework before parting with their cash.

These fake people are the fake sellers and fake manufacturers NOT RESPECTED MEMBERS FROM THE FORUM. You are presuming a lot from my statement.

PatrickJ · May 7, 2015

Nobel Prize
I'm the exact opposite to you. If I loved the DeVille and it's price point as much as you say here then I'll buy it on a second. The fact that there are not many for resale or its not as popular or can't be flipped as much would, if anything, encourage me to hug something awesome that has some uniqueness and originality.

I don't buy to flip, I buy watches to wear and own. If I sell at a later day that'seckbdary to me. To buy thinking of selling spots it to me. I'd feel like working rather than hobbying. Like a developer.

Incidentally I do love the modern DeVille, but I have my eye on the hand wound limited edition they have at IWC. Also I'm not huge on precious metals but I like the white gold DeVille and I rather wait for a bit because I'm way over budget on purchases right now.

I don't flip watches either. But why is it the submariner, speedmaster man on moon and certain seamasters hold their value only. It is because they are desirable and people want them. The base model is a very attractive looking watch and very solid to hold with great detail but I don't know of anyone that owns one or the modern constellation. Why are they not as popular as the vintage ones. This really annoys me as I like the de ville (base stainless steel model) a lot but it inspires no confidence as not many other people buy them. So now I think only a speedmaster, seamaster (base model) or explorer one are the only models worth having. However, they are not necessarily the models I like the most.

PatrickJ · May 7, 2015

Sorry what is right is right. My comments are for BRAND IMPROVEMENT not BRAND DETRIMENT. Maybe because I am on the Omega forum I can't speak my mind and go with what everyone else thinks. 😀😀😀😀

Nobel Prize · May 7, 2015

I would say a watch you really like iis worth having, not sure why you need other people to like it to inspire confidence. Many people liking it does not make it better or worse just more popular.

Many other watches hold their value other the ones mentioned.

Archer · May 7, 2015

P PatrickJ
Sorry what is right is right. My comments are for BRAND IMPROVEMENT not BRAND DETRIMENT. Maybe because I am on the Omega forum I can't speak my mind and go with what everyone else thinks. 😀😀😀😀

Go ahead and speak your mind...just be prepared for others to do the same. 😉

dsio · May 7, 2015

P PatrickJ
Sorry what is right is right. My comments are for BRAND IMPROVEMENT not BRAND DETRIMENT. Maybe because I am on the Omega forum I can't speak my mind and go with what everyone else thinks. 😀😀😀😀

Nobody has stopped you from speaking your mind its just that some are beginning to stop listening as you tend to frequently express subjective opinion as absolute truth and gospel. Most of the guys here are pretty chilled out and come here to relax rather than to try to convince people of their views.

PatrickJ · May 7, 2015

Nobel Prize
I would say a watch you really like iis worth having, not sure why you need other people to like it to inspire confidence. Many people liking it does not make it better or worse just more popular.

Many other watches hold their vakue other than the ones mentioned.

I love Omega, JLC, Rolex, AP, Lange etc... All of them.

It just annoys me when you hear people say "stick with Rolex and Patek you cant go wrong" I just think if Omega slowed down a bit and allowed customers to get familiar with less options people would say "stick with Omega, Rolex and Patek you can't go wrong"

dennisthemenace · May 7, 2015

P PatrickJ
These fake people are the fake sellers and fake manufacturers NOT RESPECTED MEMBERS FROM THE FORUM. You are presuming a lot from my statement.

You seem to forget that 99.9% of people buying a fake watch know exactly what they are buying. That is why fake watches, or fake anything else for that matter is such a big industry.

PatrickJ · May 7, 2015

Archer
Go ahead and speak your mind...just be prepared for others to do the same. 😉

Why not? That is why we are all here for improvement and enjoyment of Omega. 😀😀😀

Taddyangle · May 7, 2015

P PatrickJ
Why not? That is why we are all here for improvement and enjoyment of Omega. 😀😀😀

Well Omega needs to improve their bracelets, most important the clasps.

Since this thread deviated; thought I would continue to push it off track. 😀

dsio · May 7, 2015

Taddyangle
Well Omega needs to improve their bracelets, most important the clasps.

Since this thread deviated; thought I would continue to push it off track. 😀

The new SM300 clasp is actually pretty awesome, hope it makes it onto the Speedmaster soon

PatrickJ · May 7, 2015

dennisthemenace
You seem to forget that 99.9% of people buying a fake watch know exactly what they are buying. That is why fake watches, or fake anything else for that matter is such a big industry.

Shame on the people who know they are buying fake. My heart goes out to the genuine minority that get caught out, majority of the time genuine people can spot a fake but they are time where even the most careful of people get caught out. Or people that get caught out who thought they did there homework but it was not enough.

Nobel Prize · May 7, 2015

P PatrickJ
I love Omega, JLC, Rolex, AP, Lange etc... All of them.

It just annoys me when you hear people say "stick with Rolex and Patek you cant go wrong" I just think if Omega slowed down a bit and allowed customers to get familiar with less options people would say "stick with Omega, Rolex and Patek you can't go wrong"

Yeah, I don't disagree, but that's is said by and to people that buy based on value more than taste. Those brands are internationally mass recognized and hold their value well.

BUT there are other even more valuable brands that hold their value but are not as mass recognized. Rolex is not ven considered a high end luxury brand horologicaly.

i would by the DeVille and wear it and enjoy it and if someone told me to stick with something else because they are seeing dollar signs instead of a watch I would kindly tell them to stick their opinion up their ass.

Their "annoying" penchant as you say would certainly not guide me to not buy to my taste.

Taddyangle · May 7, 2015

dsio
The new SM300 clasp is actually pretty awesome, hope it makes it onto the Speedmaster soon

So is the Ploprof clasp, despite its size. It is 5+ years old and I really like it. Why so long to get a better clasp in place for other offerings. Do one less moon watch LE instead.

PatrickJ · May 7, 2015

Nobel Prize
Yeah, I don't disagree, but that's is said by and to people that buy based on value more than taste. Those brands are internationally mass recognized and hold their value well.

BUT there are other even more valuable brands that hold their value but are not as mass recognized. Rolex is not ven considered a high end luxury brand horologicaly.

i would by the DeVille and wear it and enjoy it and if someone told me to stick with something else because they are seeing dollar signs instead of a watch I would kindly tell them to stick their opinion up their ass.

Their "annoying" penchant as you say would certainly not guide me to not buy to my taste.

It will be 18 months at least before I buy a new one, lets wait and see. Are there any threads regarding the new constellations? I have tried looking on the forum but it keeps bringing up old vintage ones.

Nobel Prize · May 7, 2015

I dont think so. Not that I remember

Nobel Prize · May 7, 2015

I was just looking at the catalogue...it's the white gold prestige I like....the new constellations not so much. But I'm not a huge fan of the old ones either

yinzerniner · May 7, 2015

dsio
The new SM300 clasp is actually pretty awesome, hope it makes it onto the Speedmaster soon

I actually think the clasp on the new Mark II is the best to date. Feels solid, awesome adjustability, fully brushed, just a joy to use.

And to @Nobel Prize and @PatrickJ there's always the issue of what "value" means to each individual. For some, it's the primary emotional aesthetic impact. For others, it's monetary investment potential. And even for some it's an aspirational goal attained (ie Tracy Jordan saying he wants to make so much money his grandkids play lacrosse). "Value" when it comes to watches tends to be purely subjective.

PatrickJ · May 7, 2015

yinzerniner
I actually think the clasp on the new Mark II is the best to date. Feels solid, awesome adjustability, fully brushed, just a joy to use.

And to @Nobel Prize and @PatrickJ there's always the issue of what "value" means to each individual. For some, it's the primary emotional aesthetic impact. For others, it's monetary investment potential. And even for some it's an aspirational goal attained (ie Tracy Jordan saying he wants to make so much money his grandkids play lacrosse). "Value" when it comes to watches tends to be purely subjective.[/QUOTE

Taste is subjective and there is no wrong or right for new and vintage, more so with vintage I think.