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Fake Daytona Sh*tstorm
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Evitzee
·As far as the Rolex with the 'double 9' dial goes I get very suspicious with these kinds of 'mistakes', especially with Rolex's QC. It would not surprise me if this wasn't a plant by Rolex, look at all the buzz it has created once it was discovered a few years back. A sprinkling of a few error dials in the right places is a good way to showcase your brand and get massive FREE advertising. It could be an honest mistake, or not.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerAs far as the Rolex with the 'double 9' dial goes I get very suspicious with these kinds of 'mistakes', especially with Rolex's QC. It would not surprise me if this wasn't a plant by Rolex, look at all the buzz it has created once it was discovered a few years back. A sprinkling of a few error dials in the right places is a good way to showcase your brand and get massive FREE advertising. It could be an honest mistake, or not.
Nonsense.
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M'Bob
·As far as the Rolex with the 'double 9' dial goes I get very suspicious with these kinds of 'mistakes', especially with Rolex's QC. It would not surprise me if this wasn't a plant by Rolex, look at all the buzz it has created once it was discovered a few years back. A sprinkling of a few error dials in the right places is a good way to showcase your brand and get massive FREE advertising. It could be an honest mistake, or not.
The only thing more popular than the SS Daytona these days are conspiracy theories...
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pongster
·Since price of steel sports Rolex models are threatening PM levels anyway, my rule to mitigate risk of buying a fake is if will buy from a grey seller, to just buy PM models. Otherwise, buy from an AD.
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machamp6650
·A sprinkling of a few error dials in the right places is a good way to showcase your brand and get massive FREE advertising. It could be an honest mistake, or not.
I hear what you're saying about guerilla marketing, but I can't see a lot of situations where a Swiss luxury watch brand would see it as good for their image to be associated with poor quality...
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machamp6650
·Ponzi scheme
From what I've read it seemed more like issues juggling supply and demand, aggravated by the fact that he appeared to be posting watches for sale before they were actually delivered to him.
It's an honest question and I'm interested - where's the point that this kind of anticipated supply / dropship approach to sales (which appears to be pretty common) verges over into a ponzi scheme? When there is no supply at all (ie no watches) and he's using purchase funds from new sellers solely to refund other unfulfilled sellers?
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Evitzee
·Nonsense.
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Hduck
·here is the link to the thread on detecting fake guarantee cards
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=716674
i just looked at both of mine and appear authentic. . .to be honest these super fakes are just too hard for even experienced watch people to figure it out
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imageWIS
·It's not just that the fakes are getting better and better in regards to modern watches and their packaging, it's also true for vintage watches. People own real rolex punch card machines and make 'numbered papers' to match watches, fake and real ones. When the box and papers add 20% - 25% to the value of a watch (real or fake), unscrupulous people will do anything to make more money.
As always, you buy the seller as much as you buy the watch. Or if it's a current model: buy from an AD (yes, I know you can't get a steel Daytona at any AD in the world... that's yet another reason why the Speedy Pro is so awesome).
As always, you buy the seller as much as you buy the watch. Or if it's a current model: buy from an AD (yes, I know you can't get a steel Daytona at any AD in the world... that's yet another reason why the Speedy Pro is so awesome).
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watch3s
·Glad that thread has since been shut. I remember when I first started looking at rolexes. A majority of my collecting time, I refused to consider rolex just because of its connotations. That was until I saw the polar explorer 2. I remember so many "trusted sellers" refused to accept paypal and only accepted wire. Wiring any one especially a stranger over the internet any sum of money seemed ridiculous to me and I searched and searched until one accepted paypal. These trusted sellers live on their reputation however, so I suppose if they still want to be in business, they have every incentive to do right by their customers. Caveat Emptor. However Chris Essery and Horology house is likely done. No matter what attempt they put into damage control, brand reimaging, "apologies" forum restructuring, its over. Fortunately for me, I dont care about chronographs or 6 digit serial rolexes.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerYou say nonsense, but does anyone know what the dial pin-hole placement is for the numerals on that Air King dial? Are they the same for the '3', '6' and '9' numerals? In that case you would be able to get a dial that was dressed incorrectly during production that could slip by QC. But wouldn't a smart, detail oriented company like Rolex try to prevent an error like this by making the pin-holes unique for each of those positions so you couldn't get a wrong numeral in one of those three positions? Does anyone have a pic of the back side of the dial to see what the hole placement is? Perhaps they are all the same. I don't think it is nonsense to pose this question.
This is an error by the dial company, and Rolex missed it when they assembled the watch - nothing more. You can believe it's something more than that if you like, but it's a fairy tale...
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bigsom
·It's an interesting question. Do you believe a genuine Daytona is worth 70x more than a noob or jf from a technical standpoint? I suspect those of you who think a clone 4130 won't last more than a few years, aren't doing so because you've looked into it or have researched it beyond a cursory YouTube video.
As far as the tells, they're there if you know what to look for and you don't need a loupe. If you aren't up to date on rolex fakes, I don't think it is safe to be buying the world's most faked watch from anyone except an AD or your own mother (depends on your mother I guess!).
I think buyers just need to educate themselves more. This scum isn't the only guy doing it. There's a lot of evidence on Instagram, forums, etc.
As far as the tells, they're there if you know what to look for and you don't need a loupe. If you aren't up to date on rolex fakes, I don't think it is safe to be buying the world's most faked watch from anyone except an AD or your own mother (depends on your mother I guess!).
I think buyers just need to educate themselves more. This scum isn't the only guy doing it. There's a lot of evidence on Instagram, forums, etc.
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Speedy 419
·TRF gives me a headache. WuS gives me a headache. OF no headache. That’s a winner for me.
I second that, Larry S! OF is a much friendlier place to talk watches.
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redpcar
·It's an interesting question. Do you believe a genuine Daytona is worth 70x more than a noob or jf from a technical standpoint? I suspect those of you who think a clone 4130 won't last more than a few years, aren't doing so because you've looked into it or have researched it beyond a cursory YouTube video.
As far as the tells, they're there if you know what to look for and you don't need a loupe. If you aren't up to date on rolex fakes, I don't think it is safe to be buying the world's most faked watch from anyone except an AD or your own mother (depends on your mother I guess!).
I think buyers just need to educate themselves more. This scum isn't the only guy doing it. There's a lot of evidence on Instagram, forums, etc.
There are some tear downs on the web of the 4130 clone. Looking at the construction, I think you can get about 10 uses out of the chrono function before something goes wrong. If you leave the chrono alone, it might keep time for a while. Just don't drop it.
70X is an exaggeration. You should compare the price of a "super clone" vs the price from an AD supplied Daytona not a gray market sale. Doesn't really matter though, if you buy a super clone, you might as well be just setting your cash on fire.
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bigsom
·There are some tear downs on the web of the 4130 clone. Looking at the construction, I think you can get about 10 uses out of the chrono function before something goes wrong. If you leave the chrono alone, it might keep time for a while. Just don't drop it.
70X is an exaggeration. You should compare the price of a "super clone" vs the price from an AD supplied Daytona not a gray market sale. Doesn't really matter though, if you buy a super clone, you might as well be just setting your cash on fire.
I think many second gen sa4130s have lasted far longer.
This guy paid 30k for a 400 dollar watch.
Edit - but I agree if you want to compare to msrp the difference is 26x.
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redpcar
·We should find one to donate to archer or the watch repair channel for tear down and analysis. I guess I don't know enough about the 2nd gen sa4130 ☕
I've had a couple of people I know with Chinese Daytona's ask me to help fix and I have passed.
I've had a couple of people I know with Chinese Daytona's ask me to help fix and I have passed.
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rahilb
·@Archer or any other watch maker how do they adapt the 7750 to run seconds at 6? I remember I was looking at Daytonas 8+ years ago and the fakes were easy to spot as the seconds subdial would not run smooth due to the seconds @6 complication they made in China... I guess now that problem has been solved in the fakes for years just curious if anyone has seen what they are doing to the movement to get the correct config?
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BlackTalon
··This Space for RentWe should find one to donate to archer ... for tear down and analysis.
