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·Archer, yes.
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I watch thewatchrepairchannel a bunch on youtube and I always say to myself: "Oh, Al wouldn't approve of that"

I second that, Larry S! OF is a much friendlier place to talk watches.
According to the Scottish podcast, the victim tally is now around 12 people owed money by HH, amounts to about $280k in AU. Rolex trading is going to go through the same dilemma that Nazi war memorabilia did... the fakes got so good that very few have the knowledge to spot the difference and those guys are getting older and fewer of them around.
The fact is that many owners and so called "experts" out there think that all they need is a loupe to check authenticity ... you need years of experience... Rolex is not going to start running seminars for buyers to educate them, they dont care a f... about making public what to look out for... for obvious reasons.
The fact that many have now come forward regarding HH is just the tip of the iceberg out there where many own fakes and are either to ashamed to admit it and keep quite or try and pass it on. How many online sellers due to lack of knowledge are selling fake Rolex's? How many buyers are prepared to take an online purchase to an AD to check authenticity? Bet there are countless owners out there who would rather live with uncertainty than risk the truth. Either buy from an AD, or meet the seller at a AD to check authenticity before you hand over your cash.
I bet there has been fakes sold on "that other" forum for as long as its been running ... simply due to a lack of expertise ...
anyways ...good one Lenny!
This is an error by the dial company, and Rolex missed it when they assembled the watch - nothing more. You can believe it's something more than that if you like, but it's a fairy tale...
Agree as well! Not to mention OF has a dedicated forum to Universal Geneve watches..that’s active..with very knowledgeable people. That alone trumps all other forums!
I always suspected some crafty reseller dealer type was behind it and simply had the numbers switched out by a watch tech or did it themselves.

I have owned a few over the years and enjoyed them. But when the best fakes are almost impossible to distinguish, one begins to question exactly how important Rolex is in his life. Frankly, I feel the same about everything being made now given the quality (and obvious future) of 20, 50, 100 usd watches coming from China. I'll stick to vintage. Only.
As a boy growing up in the late 60s and 70s I collected baseball and football cards. My friends and I each had a shoebox or cigar box that held our collections of maybe a few hundred well-loved cards. We traded them, organized them, and sometimes just looked at them. If they were special they might get tacked to a bulletin board. If they were not our favorite players they often ended up on the spokes of our Schwinn Stingrays. (a krate if you were a rich kid) I still have those few hundred cards from my youth, but in the 80s and 90s when ball cards became a massive industry, what had been a cheap hobby for boys became a storm of new products being sold out outrageous prices and brand new cards that were immediately "collectible" even though every copy made was immediately enshrined in plastic and never touched, and every one would be MINT forever. The same collectible fever hit toys and many other things at the same time.
What had become overlooked was the simple joy of the items, and once they were being produced to be collected and kept perfect forever, they had lost their magic. I know it's not a perfect comparison, but I see what has happened with watches in much the same way. The old pieces have history and character from a time when they could not be and were not made by robots for a few bucks. They were sold at prices that reflected the cost of manufacturing, not the inflated price assigned to an instant "collectible." Things have changed.
However i recall when this whole double nine dial stuff hit the net there was all of a sudden quite a few of them showing up in Manila and suspected it was all started by some crafty watch dealer or tech that discovered how easy it was to create a "rarity" and line their pockets.
His channel is back up on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt9hg4NjyWTeIUQ1H_WKZIw/videos
Yet to make any sort of formal statement and he's turned off commenting (I wonder why...) on his videos for the most part.
...and that is why exposing him world-wide is a good idea. The crap about giving him the benefit of the doubt, not interfering with his ability to provide for his family, etc. rubbed me the wrong way. Hopefully there are fraud and theft charges reported, and he will get arrested. It's crazy that someone like that can go on like he did nothing wrong.