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F2F sale that went wrong (news story)

  1. Foo2rama

    Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. May 18, 2020

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  2. kov

    kov May 18, 2020

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    7k for an Invicta? Must have been a limited edition :eek:
     
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  3. calalum

    calalum May 18, 2020

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    Packing a piece for a F2F deal? A new requirement? Scary.
     
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  4. vbrad26

    vbrad26 May 18, 2020

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    Shoulda done the deal in a police parking lot.
    Or at least a bank with a lot of cameras.
    Big difference between Cali and Florida though. Here the shooter (seller) would have received a pat on the back for trying lol.
     
  5. mr_yossarian

    mr_yossarian May 18, 2020

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    Meh!! wanna read that!
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  6. vbrad26

    vbrad26 May 18, 2020

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  7. JwRosenthal

    JwRosenthal May 18, 2020

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  8. JwRosenthal

    JwRosenthal May 18, 2020

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    And +1 to having to go packing for a watch sale. If you really felt it was gonna possibly go that way...maybe just don’t.
     
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  9. Evitzee

    Evitzee May 18, 2020

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    The F2F deals I've ever done I felt like I knew the guy doing the buying through phone calls, emails, etc. Never felt like I had to carry to make the sale, or meet in a police station. Sounds like this deal was set up sketchily from the start. Would be nice to know the background of these two fine gentlemen watch collectors, I think there is more to the story than the PC news media of So Cal is willing to tell. I would wager that these two guys are well known to the police by previous interactions unrelated to watches.
     
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  10. M'Bob

    M'Bob May 18, 2020

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    I think many of the old-timers around here have pulled guns on each other over watches. But this difference is, they don't turn and run after, like that punk did. They stick around for a little fisticuffs that follow, and then a few beers. What the hell is going on in society?
     
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  11. JwRosenthal

    JwRosenthal May 18, 2020

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    I can think of a few members here that would bring guns to a watch deal- but that would be for an adjacent trade deal or maybe guns for watches...we all have multiple hobbies.
     
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  12. demchocholips

    demchocholips May 18, 2020

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    I’m not a lawyer, but I’m guessing the seller is going to have legal problems much bigger than the pain of losing $7000. Someone grabbing the watch and running off is not imminent threat to life.
     
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  13. CJpickup57

    CJpickup57 May 18, 2020

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    I agree. That is not proper use of “lethal force”. At minimum, his permit will be revoked and he will have to sell his pistol(s) and ammo. At worst, he’ll have to turn them in and lose his investment in his handgun(s) and deal with the courts.

    Having the feeling to bring a weapon to a F2F watch sale is something I will never have. I would never F2F sell a watch to someone that made me feel that such a level of protection would be necessary. If that was the case, the buyer is not a real hobbyist and either a shady dealer or scammer. I would also hope that if I was a buyer to a F2F deal the seller would feel the same. I look forward to my first F2F purchase that requires some air travel and footwork for a grail piece in the future. I hope it is as pleasant of a transaction as I have had in motorcycle purchases I have made in the US and those sellers (now friends) I still speak with.
     
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  14. OmeGez

    OmeGez May 18, 2020

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    This all sounds insane when we can’t even carry a toy BB gun here in the U.K.
     
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  15. BlackTalon

    BlackTalon May 18, 2020

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    $7k for an Invicta? Sounds like the real thief was the Seller...
     
  16. abrod520

    abrod520 May 18, 2020

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    I've both sold and bought in F2F transactions. Both times - midday, in a crowded coffeeshop or bank. When I'm selling, I'm making sure to be in a place where it'll be hard to get away. And when I'm buying, I let the seller choose where to meet (as long as it's a public place).

    Bringing a gun.... I wonder then, if the watch was stolen. Why bring a gun unless you know you're dealing with someone shady / why deal with someone shady when you're selling a watch?

    Also: Have not seen any mention of an Invicta?
     
  17. Foo2rama

    Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. May 18, 2020

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    FYI CC permits are pretty rare in Orange County CA.
     
  18. JwRosenthal

    JwRosenthal May 18, 2020

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    Yeah, having grown up in the land of shake & bake, unless the guy was a jeweler or normally carried large quantities of cash for business ($7k is not considered a large quantity), he had no legal right to be carrying. And discharging it without imminent threat (guy running away is no threat)- he’s in deep shit.
     
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  19. Archer

    Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker May 18, 2020

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    And some here will threaten to shoot you over a forum argument. I guess it takes all kinds...
     
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  20. JwRosenthal

    JwRosenthal May 18, 2020

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    Oh shit, I forgot about that!!! Probably because it was so damn surreal.