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路路Omega Qualified WatchmakerIs that not a bit odd? As I understand things, the 1441 is the only thermocompensated movement of the three and would therefore have better accuracy than the other two. From a consumer viewpoint, the accuracy specs quoted in the user manual are the specs that matter as they form part of the contract of sale.
Not odd to me. Does you car have the same HP as it did the day it rolled off the assembly line? Are you going back to the manufacturer 30 years after it was built to tell them it no longer meets the contract of sale? Let me know how you make out with that. 馃槈
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路Not odd to me. Does you car have the same HP as it did the day it rolled off the assembly line? Are you going back to the manufacturer 30 years after it was built to tell them it no longer meets the contract of sale? Let me know how you make out with that. 馃槈
No, but if when serviced, my watch will no longer meet the specs that it was originally quoted, I expect to be told, rather than simply having the performance parameters shift without my knowledge. I'm sure if say in the unlikely event that Omega changed a caseback gasket material and this affected the water resistance of a watch, lowering it from 300m to 200m and the technical instructions were changed to reflect this, you might mention it to a customer?
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路路Omega Qualified WatchmakerNo, but if when serviced, my watch will no longer meet the specs that it was originally quoted, I expect to be told, rather than simply having the performance parameters shift without my knowledge. I'm sure if say in the unlikely event that Omega changed a caseback gasket material and this affected the water resistance of a watch, lowering it from 300m to 200m and the technical instructions were changed to reflect this, you might mention it to a customer?
To stick with the car analogy for a second, does the local dealer run your car on a dyno and tell you that it's not producing the HP that it did when new?
Here is some text from a service estimate from Swatch group that outlines the scope of work and what to expect. These are the sections related to timekeeping:
"Adjustment and regulation of the timekeeping to factory specifications" ***
"Timekeeping and Accuracy
Mechanical Watches are affected by gravity and must be properly adjusted to provide a consistent average rate between all positions.
Most mechanical watches are adjusted in 3, 5, or more positions, and your watch may run slightly fast or slow in any individual
position.
High sensitive acoustical instruments are used in making precise adjustments to the timekeeping. The running time of the watch is also tested by measuring the length of time between full winding of the mainspring (the source of power in a mechanical watch) to the time the spring is completely unwound. This will vary from watch to watch, but will always be more than 24 hours.
Quartz Watches are regulated electronically by controlling the vibrations of a quartz crystal. Ultrasensitive measuring devices are used to analyze and confirm the timekeeping and performance of the watch. Quartz timepieces are able to achieve a level of accuracy greater than mechanical watches because of the very high number of times the quartz crystal vibrates in a second."
***Those do not always reflect what the watch was originally designed for. For example none of the vintage chronometer movements like the 30T2 Rg, or the 55X and 56X chronometer movements, or even the later 1010 and 1020 series that were originally chronometers are required to meet chronometer standards anymore.
BTW this is also noted in the section under the scope of work:
"Our workshops reserve the right to replace the hands, crown, push buttons, and crystal of your watch by original pieces or by brand components if their choice that are comparable, aesthetically similar and maintain the same functionality."
Cheers, Al
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路All very interesting, but perhaps I in my ignorance still don't quite see why it's logical to group three movements together under the same accuracy parameters when one is designed to be more accurate via thermocompensation. The only slight indication that there might be a difference is the superscript "2" next to the 1441 in your table, but I'm not sure to what (if any) notes it refers.
Also, in the information above, the statement "Our workshops reserve the right to replace the hands, crown, push buttons, and crystal of your watch by original pieces or by brand components if their choice that are comparable, aesthetically similar and maintain the same functionality." (my emphasis) would imply that whatever is done, be it service or replacement of a 1141 movement, the returned timepiece would meet the accuracy parameters as sold i.e. +/- 10 spy.
Now, I can understand that quartz movements might degrade and lose accuracy over time. What I can't so readily accept is a repairer/Oem can detrimentally alter the functional parameters against which their product will be judged as satisfactory during official servicing without telling the owner.
For practical purposes, I suppose you will still have a very accurate and useable timepiece, but if +/- 10spy is important to you, you might not be happy.
Anyhow, I'm shortly off to a civilised (I'm driving) Hogmanay gathering, so a Happy New Year to all when it arrives.
Also, in the information above, the statement "Our workshops reserve the right to replace the hands, crown, push buttons, and crystal of your watch by original pieces or by brand components if their choice that are comparable, aesthetically similar and maintain the same functionality." (my emphasis) would imply that whatever is done, be it service or replacement of a 1141 movement, the returned timepiece would meet the accuracy parameters as sold i.e. +/- 10 spy.
Now, I can understand that quartz movements might degrade and lose accuracy over time. What I can't so readily accept is a repairer/Oem can detrimentally alter the functional parameters against which their product will be judged as satisfactory during official servicing without telling the owner.
For practical purposes, I suppose you will still have a very accurate and useable timepiece, but if +/- 10spy is important to you, you might not be happy.
Anyhow, I'm shortly off to a civilised (I'm driving) Hogmanay gathering, so a Happy New Year to all when it arrives.
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路路Omega Qualified WatchmakerAll very interesting, but perhaps I in my ignorance still don't quite see why it's logical to group three movements together under the same accuracy parameters when one is designed to be more accurate via thermocompensation. The only slight indication that there might be a difference is the superscript "2" next to the 1441 in your table, but I'm not sure to what (if any) notes it refers.
Also, in the information above, the statement "Our workshops reserve the right to replace the hands, crown, push buttons, and crystal of your watch by original pieces or by brand components if their choice that are comparable, aesthetically similar and maintain the same functionality." (my emphasis) would imply that whatever is done, be it service or replacement of a 1141 movement, the returned timepiece would meet the accuracy parameters as sold i.e. +/- 10 spy.
Now, I can understand that quartz movements might degrade and lose accuracy over time. What I can't so readily accept is a repairer/Oem can detrimentally alter the functional parameters against which their product will be judged as satisfactory during official servicing without telling the owner.
For practical purposes, I suppose you will still have a very accurate and useable timepiece, but if +/- 10spy is important to you, you might not be happy.
Anyhow, I'm shortly off to a civilised (I'm driving) Hogmanay gathering, so a Happy New Year to all when it arrives.
The "2" superscript indicates the movement it thermocompensated, so clearly Omega knows how their own movements work.
If it's logical or not, or if you can accept it or not doesn't make any difference - it is what it is.
Your emphasis on the section referring to replacement of case parts completely disregards the section specifically on timekeeping, so as much as you may want that to be true, it's simply not.
I'll ask you once again to keep in mind that these are not my policies, they are Omega's. I am not saying that they are right or wrong - I'm simply trying my best to put facts out there so people know what the real deal is in order to temper expectations that in some cases are quite unreasonable, but it seems people prefer to stick to their own beliefs on these things. If you want to shoot (or argue with) the messenger, that's your choice, but it's not going to change Omega's policies.
HNY!
Cheers, Al
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路Just one small clarification. If you felt I was somehow shooting (at) the messenger, that was never my intent. What you did was show us directly obtained information from Omega which all adds to the knowledge base of the community here.
HNY to you. Hope the celebrations were enjoyable.
HNY to you. Hope the celebrations were enjoyable.
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