Ever buy a watch that you knew would be impossible to fix but it was too beautiful to pass up?

Posts
6,019
Likes
20,703
It's a really beauty. I am glad that you are putting the energy and money into getting it restored. I'm also grateful that shops like RGM that can do this kind of work still exist.

Not sure I'd have tackled this again, although I was forewarned by many good members. I'm with you on RGM. Roland is a pretty amazing and talented guy with a talented team. Lots of background info on RGM, but here's one from Anthony Bourdain that tugs at the heart:

 
Posts
219
Likes
208
Reading this thread has been a rollercoaster of emotions, lol!

Once you get it back and functional, it will carry all the history and efforts you made for it.
 
Posts
531
Likes
3,214
Update:

"After talking to Larry at the Gallet Service center we agreed to return my watch. He did not have a pusher replacement. To his credit, he returned my service fee. What's more, he sent me a pusher he said he found at the last minute. It is steel, but I can get it gold plated if it fits.
. . .
Larry said that the Multichron Service center is no longer affiliated with Gallet. He still has whatever parts he acquired and will continue to service Gallet watches, but not as the brand's official center. He made it sound like Gallet no longer exists.

Responding to something you mentioned a year ago above in bold.

The story behind the post 2000 incarnation of Gallet is bit like a soap opera. Some of the information that was on the Web has been scrubbed, but I've archived it, to what purpose, I do not know. 馃槈

The association between Walter Hediger in Switzerland who owns the name there and also has property in the US, and the Laurence/Slaz clan in the US was dissolved a couple of years ago as far as I have been made aware.

The most recent watch produced under the Gallet name was actually manufactured under contract by Vaucher Manufacture Fleurier SA, VMF, the manufacturer of movements found in Hermes, AP and Parmigiani Fleurier watches, among others..

The Gallet name has been incorporated in both Switzerland and in the US and one or more of the discreet entities has been bankrupt.

Enough said.

Will it arise again from the ashes? Only time will tell.

Meanwhile, one can find information about David Laurence and Amanda Slaz, (Slaz or Slazinik or Flaz) but I've found nothing about Larry Slaz or Larry (Lawrence) Slazinik. It's as if such a person does not really exist.

I stopped looking for info a year or more ago.

It's all in the rear-view mirror at this point.

So whoever the guy is, he's apparently on his own.

Cheers,

Joe
Edited:
 
Posts
2,693
Likes
4,294
RGM is likely capable of making any part that may be needed.

One of my EP 40-68 movements needed a spring:



And so they made some for stock as well:



They have precision CNC machining capabilities.
...

Joe

Someone else was using the Laser CNC last night. I was working on some pipe organ stuff anyway. I think there is going to be a lot more of this sort of thing. Especially if the fiber laser can cut springs. Which the you tube videos seem to imply.



Some of the members of the Horological tours in the 1990s were into tools. They would search fleamarkets and other places for old equipment. My mentor who had a tool and die shop would also look for tools at auctions. He let me play with a Belcor[sp] cam driven screw cutting machine. My own CNC he got at auction and sold it too me for his cost. The other part was to prove a point. That one can not punch a button and have parts come out the other end. It was a lathe mill combo with an aftermarket CNC. I removed the mill and the CNC. Sometime I want to set it up as a standalone machine, with a high speed spindle.

I still suspect that some of the NOS valjoux parts and others are made on the old equipment, where it is used to produce short runs.

CNC is no panacea. It takes just as long to enter it into the computer as it would to make it with a saw and file or grinding wheel. The difference is that once entered, the master file can be used to make any copies.

This tech can also cut out the cams. Which when used with a pantograph engraver, can be used to mill out all sorts of stuff. It is interesting how my 30 year old AI textbook has whole sections on checking cam profiles for faults. Cams are a lot faster than steppers or servos. Some of these machines work faster than the eye can see.
 
Posts
531
Likes
3,214
We can easily derail this thread or get off on what I would feel is an interesting tangential subject, so I'll keep this short and hopefully it will be treated as a brief aside.

I have an SX2 mini mill and a 7x16 mini lathe and many of the accessories or accoutrements that go with them costing a multiple of the cost of the machines. I learned to run milling machines, lathes and shapers when I was in High School 馃槈

I have not personally graduated to CNC, but there are many more complex operations that can be done with CNC than can not be done quickly or easily - or at all - using old-school methods. Flat, largely two-dimensional stuff without complexity in the third dimension, no problem.

I'm an amateur. It would probably take me a full work-day to make one of those springs for the EP40-68 and it would be crude by comparison.

With CNC, once the drawing is done on CAD for one spring and laid out as a sheet of 16 and then converted to CAM and set to run on the computer that controls the CNC mill for the sheet of 16 springs, I bet the cutting operation itself took 15 minutes. Then an end mill was set to run over the surface and create the tool marks we call a C么te de Gen猫ve finish.

CNC = Computer Numerical Control - Instructions to the hardware for multiple operations
CAD = Computer Aided Design - The 3D drawing program
CAM = Computer Aided Manufacturing - converts the 3D drawing into an instruction set for the cutting machine

Cheers,

Joe
 
Posts
2,693
Likes
4,294
Well the title is more generic that the thread actual evolved to be. It is easy to bash Gallet. Especially as one or more of the Landerons or venus chrono watches I bought 30 years ago had Gallet dials. Which I used as practice for my re-dialing experiments. In 1996 Gallet was just another "house" brand. I actually learned a lot in this thread. That the name was revived in 2000.

In some ways I now regret stripping those dials. Mostly becouse of this thread.

I suspect I am underwater on most of my watches. The problem, is that I have no tallent for flipping them. I get a watch and fall in love/hate with it. The hate though is more I would hate selling it after spending so much fustration on it. Often the time waiting for parts or machine time and I have moved on to the next infatuation.

Guess I like flirting with watches.

One thing is that if there is a way to replicate a part, then the market would be flooded with such parts. I have been watching a pawn shop sell of thousands (or even 100s of thousands) of old watch parts. Omega parts seem to sell for the most. Othertimes one gets distracted, There was a jam Mason's jar full of omega parts. I forgot to bid and it sold for half what I was willing to bid and probably 1/4 to 1/8 of what the parts were worth. It was however a grab bag, there was however at least one part visible I could use.

The successors to Gallet, seem to have done this on an industrial scale. It also sours the waters for others who might want to fix watches for others. Apart from the customers are simply too demanding and the liability to great.
 
Posts
6,019
Likes
20,703
Watch arrive back from service today! Almost 1 year at RGM and 1 1/2 years at Gallet, close to 3 years after first buying it.

Looks beautiful 馃グ



Look closely at the last picture.

馃が 馃が 馃が
 
Posts
29,221
Likes
75,513
Bummer - I could see it was not right in the first photo...
 
Posts
1,965
Likes
9,409
I wanted to like your post but that last picture made me join you 馃が

Sorry. Looked beautiful at first. What is the next move?

God that sucks, feeling worse as I type.
 
Posts
784
Likes
6,723
Yikes.

I don't know anything about watchmaking other than watching WristWatchRevival but can you reuse the new pusher now that you have it?
 
Posts
8,355
Likes
59,766
Gorilla Glue can fix that, easy-peasy.馃槻


Sorry your long voyage home got a bit longer.
 
Posts
531
Likes
3,214
I would expect that the watch will now run well; keep good time, and perform on the timegrapher like a newly serviced watch.

That said, I'd be disappointed as well seeing the pusher having come apart, probably in shipping as a result being barely attached and not carefully examined before shipping.

RGM will make good on something like that and I'd expect they'd put it ahead of the queue and you'll have it back in a couple of weeks at most.

Give them a buzz on the phone and let them know what's what.

Cheers,

Joe
 
Posts
5,081
Likes
15,687
I heard that Gallet was still in business. Maybe send it to them?




::stirthepot::
 
Posts
531
Likes
3,214
I heard that Gallet was still in business. Maybe send it to them?

No,no,no,no,no,no,no,no . . .

a thousand times no.

Just don't.

~ Joe
 
Posts
7,564
Likes
13,961
Damn...::facepalm1::

I guess the first call would be to RGM and find out what the hell they did. They should not be happy with the quality of ther work. Any QC?
 
Posts
531
Likes
3,214
Damn...::facepalm1::

I guess the first call would be to RGM and find out what the hell they did. They should not be happy with the quality of ther work. Any QC?

RGM will stand by their work and they won't charge for a recall.

I have used them now a number of times and I did have two minor issues.

Example: On one chronograph, when the central minute hand was between the 5 o'clock and 6 o'clock position and the chrono was running, the chrono seconds hand would catch on the minute hand. This suggests a QC miss. They did not let the watch run for a long enough time with the chrono running as well to see the issue and correct it before it was returned to me. It's an understandable oversight and something easy for a watchmaker to correct. It was an inconvenience, but not a tragedy.

On another occasion, a chronograph would very occasionally have have a little creep on the 12-hour sub-register. It took weeks for the issue to show up.

I was a little disappointed, but neither of these are shoot-to-kill offenses.
 
Posts
3,652
Likes
7,731
Wow, This Thread was quite the read.

Pdxleaf, that's a lovely watch and I hope you are able to get the pusher situation resolved soon!