is already answered, and will for sure not be answered in a public thread 👍
this thread drifts to a "how to build ..." so i hope this stays a open question
Unfortunately what this thread highlights is that this watch is too easy to ‘build’ and then get certified by Omega as original.
Unfortunately what this thread highlights is that this watch is too easy to ‘build’
Omega does not certify watches.
Omega issues an extract of the archives, stating that a movement number left the factory on a certain date, in a certain case reference.
What state the watch is in today, is not reflected or guaranteed by the document, which is a statement of situation at the release date.
Omega does not certify watches.
Omega issues an extract of the archives, stating that a movement number left the factory on a certain date, in a certain case reference.
What state the watch is in today, is not reflected or guaranteed by the document, which is a statement of situation at the release date.
Wait. I'm still confused. Does Omega have records of which watches had red/orange chrono hands? Yes or no.
From @Spacefruit's earlier story, it sounded like Omega has that info.
Next: Do they ask for pictures to verify it is on there?
I wrote this already a couple of times.
I bought my first Ultraman and ordered an extract for it before Petros shares the very first time about the Ultraman Speedmaster. Obviously I have got a regular extract mentioning a regular 145.012, that’s it.
Once the study about the orange hand happened, so could bring my Ultraman Speedmaster to the Museum, they did the due diligence and then issued another Extract mentioning the specific Orange hand.
For the second Ultraman, I went directly to the museum with the watch to show them the watch and get an extract including the Remark as it was also checking all the boxes.
I guess earlier some photographs of your watch would have been enough to get the Remark about the hand on the Extract but with all the mess happening about this particular watch lately, I believe now the museum team will only add that remark after they see the watch in steel and do due diligence, which is much better so imo, if you ask.
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So the next question is, are the glossy dials specific to the watches with orange hands, or are many 145.012 with serials in the 26,07x,xxx range fitted with this dial?
Omega do not have the information. It is based on the serial number and the hand on the watch when the extract is requested.
But how is this possible given @Spacefruit's story? Is there another explanation that I'm too dense to think of? I'm guessing that's why @Vintagewtchzilla eluded to the situation as "mysterious"... Unless we just chalk it up to the archives department accidentally/erroneously adding the remark to his extract, I guess, there has to be a missing piece to that puzzle.
But seriously, this is a stinky can of worms imho. I can almost hear the fakers grinding small triangles of metal and painting it orange.
Frankly the whole thing stinks to high heaven at present. Without a little more transparency about what exactly makes up an Ultraman, I wouldn't give you $8K for one, no matter $45K or the 'optimistic' $80k for the watch discussed here. Special dial? If so why no menruin on extracts. Extracts issues after inspection you say? Sounds basically like the archive don’t know their arse from their elbow if so. Either there is a record out there is not, and if not then there is nothing Ultra about the Ultraman.
Vintage Daytonas have the same problem: when something -a hand, a dial- adds tens of thousands $ to the final price, you find doctored/faked watches. Too much $$$ involved. (I'm convinced that if you pay a few thousand $ you can have any convincing dial/hands combo you want)
