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kingsrider
·No one is calling for decriminalizing armed robbery or assault with a deadly weapon.
Don't Wear Your Good Watch In Beverly Hills
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cvalue13
·When a prosecutor asks for a punishment that does not give the victim a sense of fairness and justice for the assault against their person and when the existing laws have specificity for that punishment and they are ignored... where can the victim apply for justice?
this view may misunderstand the role (and inordinate power) prosecutors have always had, and will forever have.
I was a law clerk for a federal judge, and I’m close friends with several senior federal judges - many of them will tell you that if you want real power, be a federal prosecutor not a judge.
The questions being confronted in LA seem less about prosecutorial discretion (never going away), and more about attempting a more dispersed application of that discretion.
I’m not taking a substantive side here, but instead just pointing out that “prosecutors choosing what to prosecute” is not new; what’s argued to be new is who benefits proportionately from that discretion.
EDIT: or @kingsrider i could have misunderstood your post above, understanding brevity loses detail - and my reading comprehension particularly low today
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Scooterino36
·I don’t think a story like this really dissuades me from wearing say my Omegas, which I consider my good watches. I just can’t see someone shooting up a cafe to steal my Aqua Terra.
RM are very conspicuous and worth in the six figures. Can’t think of a better way to make yourself a target.
Edit: I now see that this was posted under “high-end watches”. I will slowly back away
RM are very conspicuous and worth in the six figures. Can’t think of a better way to make yourself a target.
Edit: I now see that this was posted under “high-end watches”. I will slowly back away
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JwRosenthal
·Can’t think of a better way to make yourself a target.
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kingsrider
·attempting a more dispersed application of that discretion.
I was a law clerk for a federal judge, and I’m close friends with several senior federal judges
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cvalue13
·Please elaborate.
I’m not the best mouthpiece, or is this the best forum. But in short: there are always a lot of laws that go under-enforced and a lot that go over-enforced; there are resulting winners and losers; when the tide moves the line, there are some new winners and losers.
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TDBK
·I suppose we could discuss semantics and exactness of meaning all day long.
Bail reform is not the same thing as decriminalization. It should not be an outrageous idea that there should a high bar of justification before jailing people who have not been convicted of a crime. There's a number of reasons why: efficient use of public resources, reducing long-term criminality, and less unilateral power for police and prosecutors among them; so even if you don't agree with all of them, there's supporters from all over the political spectrum on this. The simple "tough on crime" stance which locks up the accused wholesale without considering risks and outcomes has cost American society billions of dollars while reducing public safety.
And violent crimes (assault and robbery) are a different category from property crimes. I think California has crappy governance, particularly my former home of San Francisco, and their soft approach on property crime and other quality-of-life criminality is a disaster, but criticizing these policies by blurring the distinctions between classes of crimes is the kind of sloppy thinking which enables this to be an emotional social argument instead of working on good programs which improve societal outcomes. And that kind of thinking is how we got to the crappy situation noted above.
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kingsrider
·You're the one playing games with words by treating dissimilar things as the same.
Bail reform is not the same thing as decriminalization. It should not be an outrageous idea that there should a high bar of justification before jailing people who have not been convicted of a crime. There's a number of reasons why: efficient use of public resources, reducing long-term criminality, and less unilateral power for police and prosecutors among them; so even if you don't agree with all of them, there's supporters from all over the political spectrum on this. The simple "tough on crime" stance which locks up the accused wholesale without considering risks and outcomes has cost American society billions of dollars while reducing public safety.
And violent crimes (assault and robbery) are a different category from property crimes. I think California has crappy governance, particularly my former home of San Francisco, and their soft approach on property crime and other quality-of-life criminality is a disaster, but criticizing these policies by blurring the distinctions between classes of crimes is the kind of sloppy thinking which enables this to be an emotional social argument instead of working on good programs which improve societal outcomes. And that kind of thinking is how we got to the crappy situation noted above.
I did not bring up bail reform. The discussion of bail reform was brought up along side of the issue of decriminalization, by sleepyastronaut. As you most succinctly point out they are not the same thing. I was attempting to make the same distinction you just did.
And violent crimes (assault and robbery) are a different category from property crimes.
What happens when this invasion, this burglary, happens when my daughter or wife is home by herself? Now it's to be taken more seriously? Up until that point it is just a "property crime"?
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorOK people, let’s bring this back to the original subject.
We are not going to solve the US or California criminal justice system on this forum.
Let us not try.
gatorcpa
We are not going to solve the US or California criminal justice system on this forum.
Let us not try.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorHow is the weather in FLA?
See for yourself. It’s springtime here. The college kids are in town, COVID be damned.
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worldwidewes
·I feel like the best course of action with wearing a watch like that is to "hide in plain sight" as they say. I don't think anyone staring at my vintage Speedy (although obviously it's not nearly as expensive as an RM) when I'm out and about in my local shopping complex or out grocery shopping. But I bet people like these criminals specifically crawl around places like Beverly Hills looking for watches, or cars, or clothing to steal because that's where you find the highest density of expensive things to steal.
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector
It was a good chuckle reading the comments.
Seems like it was The Democrats fault ........
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Wryfox
·This is the first post I've read with the new 'enhanced" ads. Ie not just embedded ads but now pop up ads with videos that block the screen literally every 10 seconds. These ads have gone from understandably justified to insanely annoying in just a few weeks. The tipping point is here.
I've had to click off 8 blocking ads just to write this post....
I've had to click off 8 blocking ads just to write this post....
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pdxleaf
·This is the first post I've read with the new 'enhanced" ads. Ie not just embedded ads but now pop up ads with videos that block the screen literally every 10 seconds. These ads have gone from understandably justified to insanely annoying in just a few weeks. The tipping point is here.
I've had to click off 8 blocking ads just to write this post....
https://omegaforums.net/threads/of-ad-free-subscriptions-available-now.126770/
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Syrte
·You’re all sorry for the guy who lost his watch, but none of you seem to care about the woman who had nothing to do with it yet got a bullet injury to her leg which may impair her for the rest of her life. The watch is just property.
Also, whoever eats in restaurants nowadays has no complaints. Many in other parts of the world are in full or semi lockdown and can barely see any friends, and it’s 32 degrees farenheit / 0 celsius.
Also, whoever eats in restaurants nowadays has no complaints. Many in other parts of the world are in full or semi lockdown and can barely see any friends, and it’s 32 degrees farenheit / 0 celsius.
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Omegafanman
·It really is a scary thing. I fought off two attempted muggings in the past. It was a flight or fight thing they put hands on me and I reacted. TBH I’d be inclined to just give up the goods in a hold up. I’d just assume they are armed and even when you win a fight you walk off in some kind of pain. My job put me in many “bad parts of town” I saw a mugging coming a while back. I was cased out by one dude then he saw him gather with a couple more down the street. I began talking loudly to my self yelling at the voices to leave me alone and walked very quickly into the waiting group. They backed off. I’m not suggesting anyone attempt this but it worked one time previous when I frequently put myself in dangerous situations (I didn’t always live the saintly walrus life I do now) you could add up my entire collection of watches and still need to take out a mortgage to get a Richard Mille but I’m sure many here are like me and have watches they deem “priceless” like my grandfathers bulova.
Someone I know has been in a lot of bad situations due to their profession. They were on a social drink with an off duty detective when the detective got recognised by the wrong crowd. People began to arrive and exits started to get covered. The person I know told me that they pulled what he called the 'nutter card', pretended to go off their head and then went fast for an exit. Both they and the detective made it out and got clear - so it does work. I imagine the fact they guy is a big unit helped :0)
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