Do you think that this Angelus is genuine?

Hello guys,

I'm currently deciding if I will buy one Angelus chrono that I'm lurking around for some time.

I did pretty thorough research, but I'm not a big Angelus expert.

From what I can see from the pictures, I'm pretty sure that nearly everything is genuine, movement is 100%, the case seems consistent with some of the designs of Angelus, crown and pushers are standard of Angelus from 1940s and even hands seem to be genuine.

One thing I'm not really sure about is the dial. One problem with Angelus is that they sold their watch, citing from 1940s ad, with an assortment of dials, so you chose setup in means of movement/functions and case, and you could then choose from several dials they had. So it is pretty inconsistent across the range of movements and cases.

So now to what seems odd to me on the dial. The logo, I just can't find any corresponding watch or reference to this kind of logo design, ale are pretty similar, but it just isn't right. Also, the combination of numbers for 12 and 6 and dots for rest, are standard, but I never saw the same design of the number 6 on any other Angelus watch. The tachymeter seems to be one of the designs Angelus used. So overall, it looks good with few inconsistencies. But they are so small, that I just can't imagine someone put so much effort to make replacement design.

So what do you guys think? Do you have any similar experience or knowledge I don't have?




Few sources I based my research on, maybe it will help someone:
https://www.fratellowatches.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/angelus-collectors-guide-2016.pdf
https://watches83.com/blog/en/angelus-chronodato-a-cult-watch-among-vintage-fans-part-1-2/
http://www.invenitetfecit.com/fabricants/page-Angelus.html
http://www.invenitetfecit.com/fabricants/page-Angelus4.html

Dial has been refinished. This greatly impacts value. I would look for another example.

Right? I think too. But it is priced so cheaply, just under 1000 euros, that I would be maybe willing to buy them, just for the movement.

Examples with original dials can be had for a similar price: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPERB-ST-...=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

In terms of value retention and usually enjoyment, it pays to spend more for a nice, original watch than to save a bit at the outset for something that is not entirely correct.

Thank you guys, I will be waiting for next one to my liking to show up.

Both of them are beautiful examples, as I said, I will be waiting for another one to show up! Thank you.

Redial, take patience and wait for a good one 😀

The Dial is a re-dial not a refinished. Its look terrible!
imho, the best things here , is run away as fast as you can.