Do You Tell Them the Truth, or Seller Beware?

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Bought a chicken thing the other day and was supposed to be $8 but scanned at $1.15 or something. If I have to scan stuff myself I can make a executive decision whilst scanning
Winner winner chicken dinner.
That reminds me of a scene in a TV show where two drunks are trying to prepare dinner.
One is frying something in a skillet. The other asks what it is and is told 'the package says its chopped Chicken Parts".
the first says "What part is that?" the other says "I think its the face"
 
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We have all heard the expression,"Buyer beware.", but what if the tables are turned. Is this a moral dilemma or is it just business?

In the United States, there are two shows on television that demonstrate the fact that many sellers have no clue of the value of things they own. On Pawn Stars, the seller will give a price to the pawn shop, only to find out after the expert looks at the piece that it's worth ten times as much as they thought. On Antique Road Show, how often is someone shocked to find out that Grandpa's antique is worth a fortune?

So, if you come across an item being sold and the price is far far below it's worth, do you say anything? Does it matter if it's on eBay, in an auction, in a store, or being sold by an elderly old lady? Do you have a moral conflict?
How would you feel if you were the individual that just sold Great Grandfather's watch for 5,000 dollars only to find out it is really worth 250,000 dollars? I know, do your due diligence, but sometimes people just see antiques or vintage items as old junk. I remember my Grandfather selling off his Depression Era glassware for pennies, and my Uncle selling my Grandmothers Art Deco Statues, to him they were just old glass; some guy name Rene Lalique.

I feel a bit of a quandary, especially if it is an individual; not so much, if it's an auction house. I have told individuals the true value of their watches when they offered them to me at a low price. Call me a fool, but, I like to treat others the way that I want to be treated, and I'm definitely not an expert on everything.

Your thoughts....

It is overly simplified...

No object has a set value, everywhere in the world. It depends on the location and on the seller himself at least.

Something may be worth 100eur at a car booth sale in France, 1500£ in a small dealer window in London, 15000$ in a specialized shop with lot of connections and some backup (warranty, etc.) in L.A. . Each price may be fair, and may also be the maximum price realized at each stage...
 
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I do the occasional search for "Hewer" - "Heur" on EBay, so I guess that explains it.
 
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Seller is a dealer? No problem for me paying way under. It's their job to know what they have.

Seller is a private individual? Certainly if it was someone I knew I would help them. Relationships are more important than money. If it was a little old lady who's having a clearout after her husband died, I like to think I wouldn't take advantage but would advise her to get a valuation and tell her it's a good piece.

But a regular guy at a car boot selling off stuff? I'd probably see that as life smiling on me for once.
 
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I am a great believer ‘in what goes around comes around’. Tell them a fair price.
I'm adamant about providing full disclosure. That's coming from an "Old School" real watch guy!
 
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It was interesting to see a real-life example of this moral dilemma in this thread back in July:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/pair-of-omega-watches-destined-for-scrap.116799/

NDLaw2009 was offering to buy several watches from a retailer's box of "scrap watches".
One of the "scrap watches" turned out to be the same kind of black Benrus watch that Steve McQueen wore in the movie Bullitt.
NDLaw2009 decided to tell the shop owner about the watch.

We never did hear the end of how that offer to buy the watches turned out.
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All ethics are situational except when they aren't.
 
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All ethics are situational except when they aren't.

My dad always used to say if anyone asks you if your honest. Tell them your as honest as you can afford to be. 😉
 
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My dad always used to say if anyone asks you if your honest. Tell them your as honest as you can afford to be. 😉
Back in ‘12 I was contacted by a woman who’s husband was an avid jazz collector- he had died a few months before. I didn’t know them but was referred by a friend.
When I saw the collection I was astounded by how good this collection was- it was what record collecting dreams were made of, tons of audiophile releases, limited box sets, obscure and OOP records. I was unemployed at the time but did have some savings. I told her the collection was worth about $5k, normally I pay people 1/3 street value as I had to broker it and there needs to be room for profit and fees, the occasional return etc. But at that point in time I could only afford to pay her $800 for the collection. She understood and appreciated the honesty- she let me have it for the $800. I kept the records I wanted for my collection and sold off some of the $$$ stuff- and it helped get me through a very tough time.
 
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As far as Pawn Stars is concerned, have you noticed that the sellers never reciprocate appropriately with any kind of appreciation for being treated so nicely and always try to bargain for much more than the fair price being offered? I can't remember ever watching one of those exchanges and not thinking "should have just given him what he came in asking for it" after seeing the seller's ungrateful response to being told the item was worth much more than the original asking price.

My understanding is that this is all manufactured drama. These are all pre-negotiated ahead of time from what people who have been on the show have said, based on what I've read about this show.
 
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Bought a chicken thing the other day and was supposed to be $8 but scanned at $1.15 or something. If I have to scan stuff myself I can make a executive decision whilst scanning
Winner winner chicken dinner.

That's funny. I bought some things at Home Depot a few weeks ago, and one item, I think it was a toilet tank fill valve, scanned for virtually nothing, like $0.10 or something like that. It should have been in the neighborhood of $12. So the guy checking me out looks at me with a questioning look. I told him to scan it again because the price seemed too low. He scanned it again with the same result and then told me that sometimes there are discounts or sales that bring the price of an item to nearly zero. I just said that the price on the shelf was higher, but I would defer to whatever he thought was right. I didn't feel like it was my responsibility to insist on having a manager called over to do a price check.

If someone gives me too much change, I always return it. That's just basic honesty. This seemed a bit different.
 
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That's funny. I bought some things at Home Depot a few weeks ago, and one item, I think it was a toilet tank fill valve, scanned for virtually nothing, like $0.10 or something like that. It should have been in the neighborhood of $12....He scanned it again with the same result and then told me that sometimes there are discounts or sales that bring the price of an item to nearly zero. I just said that the price on the shelf was higher...

If someone gives me too much change, I always return it. That's just basic honesty. This seemed a bit different.
I worked for a large retailer in college- sometimes a change in packaging or even a slight change to a UPC will result in them blowing out a previous model. They can look identical but the item has changed and they are either to send back the old product or mark it out....usually easier and cheaper to just mark it out to nothing.

As for change from a cashier- a lot of people don’t realize that they can get in big trouble for that kind of error and screwing an hourly wage earner Is just bad ju-ju. Always give the change back- you’re actually saving their job.
 
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With the Internet, there really is no excuse for pricing an object well below fair market value. Yet I have an Apple Watch cultist friend with an $8-12K Autavia who thought it was worth "nothing". Some people have mental blocks for various reasons. Were I to see such a watch, grossly under priced at a private garage or (non professionally run) estate sale, I'd not hesitate to offer fair value but nowhere else.
 
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With the Internet, there really is no excuse for pricing an object well below fair market value. Yet I have an Apple Watch cultist friend with an $8-12K Autavia who thought it was worth "nothing". Some people have mental blocks for various reasons. Were I to see such a watch, grossly under priced at a private garage or (non professionally run) estate sale, I'd not hesitate to offer fair value but nowhere else.

And ironically, by offering much more than they are asking, you could well lose the opportunity to buy it. Often in this situation, a seller will pull the item to do more research.
 
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And ironically, by offering much more than they are asking, you could well lose the opportunity to buy it. Often in this situation, a seller will pull the item to do more research.
Honesty = Best Policy. If I loose out so be it. Were it to be pulled, I’d hope I’d at least have dibs.
 
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Honesty = Best Policy. If I loose out so be it. Were it to be pulled, I’d hope I’d at least have dibs.

Yup, I agree. I've lost some opportunities this way myself. In a recent case, the seller ended up getting suckered in by a dealer, which really pissed me off. I don't understand how a logical person can think that they will get more from a dealer than from another collector.
 
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Yup, I agree. I've lost some opportunities this way myself. In a recent case, the seller ended up getting suckered in by a dealer, which really pissed me off. I don't understand how a logical person can think that they will get more from a dealer than from another collector.
I don't know if a private seller believes they will get more from a dealer, I think some individuals feel it is safer and easier to just sell the watch to a dealer. Now, if the seller knows the private buyer, buyer has great references, money in hand, and still sells it to a dealer for less.... all logic is out the window.
 
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I don't know if a private seller believes they will get more from a dealer, I think some individuals feel it is safer and easier to just sell the watch to a dealer. Now, if the seller knows the private buyer, buyer has great references, money in hand, and still sells it to a dealer for less.... all logic is out the window.

I would agree about the safety aspect. If selling to a dealer you have to accept that you will get less but getting stiffed on a private deal could cost thousands. It is all about balance and risk.
 
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I don't know if a private seller believes they will get more from a dealer, I think some individuals feel it is safer and easier to just sell the watch to a dealer. Now, if the seller knows the private buyer, buyer has great references, money in hand, and still sells it to a dealer for less.... all logic is out the window.

Agreed. Not that I agree it's necessarily true, but I bet this is a lot of the motivation.
 
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still sells it to a dealer for less

Could be similar to the new car dealership syndrome. A fancy watch shop/dealer store front attracts a certain type of customer that is lulled into thinking this is the way it's done.
When I had the gas station/car repair shop I had many customers that would rather drop their pants, bend over and walk backwards into the new car show room and turn in their used car for a new vehicle rather than sell it for much more privately. They even swallowed the inflated "trade in allowance" while not paying attention to how the new car price tag was bumped up to cover it. Watch shops can delude people into thinking this is the best way to get rid of watches. After all the guy has a shop so he knows what he's doing.