Do you tell people their watches are frankens?

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I tend to stay out of other peoples business. Wouldn’t tell someone that I suspected replacement parts on their watch or their wife...not my place to say!
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On sales post on OF, shouldn't be the idea to tell the mods about the issue so they can handle it have the listing modified or removed. I think someone saying a watch was all original but you know it is a franken is something that shouldn't be kept hidden.
That is one issue I have not encountered yet: franken Seiko's on OF. What I'm talking about are people posting photos of watches they've purchased elsewhere and may believe are original. I'll certainly speak up if I do see a franken Seiko listed for sale on this forum
 
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That is one issue I have not encountered yet: franken Seiko's on OF. What I'm talking about are people posting photos of watches they've purchased elsewhere and may believe are original. I'll certainly speak up if I do see a franken Seiko listed for sale on this forum

I would speak up as well. Just responding to the prior comment about staying out of sales posts.

As for general posts, I don't think I would speak up unless they were asking for an opinion. For example, I have a watch that I bought knowing it had a replacement crown and the replacement on it isn't perfect either. I knew that when I bought it and I figured it into the price I was willing to pay. Also, no need for me to go chase to make the watch perfect. If I post it in the WRUW thread and someone pointed out the crown I think I would be pretty annoyed.
 
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If it’s a new acquisition that might be eligible for a refund- I would send the nicest pm I can so the person can return.
I would never rain publicly on someone’s parade if they’re not asking for opinions - or specifically asking for an assessment.

If I am positive someone is offering an incorrect watch for sale without a disclosure, I will invariably message them about the problem. If it is on Instagram and they refuse to address it, I then out them publicly.
 
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I would speak up as well. Just responding to the prior comment about staying out of sales posts.

As for general posts, I don't think I would speak up unless they were asking for an opinion. For example, I have a watch that I bought knowing it had a replacement crown and the replacement on it isn't perfect either. I knew that when I bought it and I figured it into the price I was willing to pay. Also, no need for me to go chase to make the watch perfect. If I post it in the WRUW thread and someone pointed out the crown I think I would be pretty annoyed.
Right, it definitely depends on the thread. WRUW is not the place, unless the poster shows a picture of their fake but writes “a nice day to wear my original...” in which case a DM would suffice.
On FS posts then I agree - the mods should be alerted if someone thinks the piece is misdescribed.
For everything else, unsolicited public comments seem unfair, but a respectful and friendly DM would seem appropriate to me.
 
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Yes esp after people say it’s correct and perfect.

but I’m an A hole.
 
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If it’s a new acquisition that might be eligible for a refund- I would send the nicest pm I can so the person can return.
I would never rain publicly on someone’s parade if they’re not asking for opinions - or specifically asking for an assessment.

If I am positive someone is offering an incorrect watch for sale without a disclosure, I will invariably message them about the problem. If it is on Instagram and they refuse to address it, I then out them publicly.

Pretty much defines my alert& response levels, as well.
 
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If it’s a new acquisition that might be eligible for a refund- I would send the nicest pm I can so the person can return.
I would never rain publicly on someone’s parade if they’re not asking for opinions - or specifically asking for an assessment.

If I am positive someone is offering an incorrect watch for sale without a disclosure, I will invariably message them about the problem. If it is on Instagram and they refuse to address it, I then out them publicly.

This seems like a good balance of not being a troll and helping people who may genuinely want your help.
 
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When I got my first Bulova 666, I proudly posted it in the Bulova thread. A nice and knowledge member PM'd me and gave me the part numbers for the crystal and crown- both of which were replacments and I didn't know it. I found it incredibly helpful and appreciated his willingness to help. Since, I have been able to source both using those part numbers.
Sometimes unsolicited advise can be welcome if it's delivered by being truly helpful.
 
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Maybe someone doesn't enough know to ask? If I came on here showing off my new franken I think I'd want someone to point it out to me, in a nice way. I won't learn otherwise. Joining and participating in a forum like this implies that I'm sufficiently interested in watches to want to know if I've made a mistake. Joining a facebook group or posting your watch pics on instagram may be a different thing where people don't care quite as much or don't want to know.

Better still though, as this is something of a minefield, and you seem to know, I'd really appreciate a post showing what to look for when deciding on whether or not to buy a piece like a yellow dial Pogue. Of course, you may not wish to share your hard learned knowledge, but this is the equivalent of the "give a man a fish or teach him how to use a rod" question. I'd like to be taught how to spot a dodgy watch rather than coming on here posting pictures every time I see something I'm interested in to ask if it's OK or not.

For the Pogue, there's a wealth of information on the Seiko and Citizen Watch Forum (https://www.thewatchsite.com/). It takes searching to dig it all up, but there are several extensive threads. If you have a watch and want an opinion you can usually get a good one by posting photos there. The folks are friendly, though obviously, "Do your own homework" applies.
For the yellow dial Pogues specifically, there are a few tells that give away most of the fake dials:
- On the real ones, the tick marks on the sub dial extend all the way to the edge of the subdial. On most fakes, they come up short, leaving a space
- On the dial text at the bottom of the dial, the "A" in "Japan" should have a flat top, whereas it's usually pointy on the fake dials.
BUT, the fakes get better every day, and these tells may no longer be enough to distinguish a fake. It's a constant arms race, and I hesitate to elaborate more or risk giving you out-of-date info.
 
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Keep in mind that you're doing the person a favor by telling them.
Especially, if you are sending them a private message about it.

It's like seeing a guy or girl in the office with their zipper down.
Do you let them walk around all day or do you privately tell them as soon as possible?
The kind thing to do is tell them asap privately.

Likewise, if the watch owner doesn't know something is fake about their watch, then they might post pictures of it in several places and you could have saved them that embarrassment when they later find out the truth.

Also, it might affect their later sale of the watch to someone else.
I would not want to charge a high price for a watch then have the new owner find out later a part of it was fake.
I wouldn't want the buyer to think I wasn't completely honest about the watch.
I'd rather adjust my sales price to a more realistic one given the fake part to the watch, even if it meant losing a little money on it.
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I think you have to ask yourself (like for so much in life).... "What good can come of this?"

It takes context and caring.

The average Joe on the street will think you're a jerk, even if you're right.

But if you have the sense someone will appreciate the information, and will see it as productive and constructive, go for it.
 
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We encountered this problem often on another overseas forum. I used to get private messages with "what do you think of this watch and the price is XXX." Not knowing what's what I used to give my honest opinion, only to get it rammed up my ass when whoever was the owner of the watch took offence as the fella interested would say "fred said your watch is blah blah blah".
Never again as one can't trust who is asking the questions.
 
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I would never do that.

I would wait until the guy is out of earshot then tell everyone else.

(evil grin here)
 
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For the Pogue, there's a wealth of information on the Seiko and Citizen Watch Forum (https://www.thewatchsite.com/). It takes searching to dig it all up, but there are several extensive threads. If you have a watch and want an opinion you can usually get a good one by posting photos there. The folks are friendly, though obviously, "Do your own homework" applies.
For the yellow dial Pogues specifically, there are a few tells that give away most of the fake dials:
- On the real ones, the tick marks on the sub dial extend all the way to the edge of the subdial. On most fakes, they come up short, leaving a space
- On the dial text at the bottom of the dial, the "A" in "Japan" should have a flat top, whereas it's usually pointy on the fake dials.
BUT, the fakes get better every day, and these tells may no longer be enough to distinguish a fake. It's a constant arms race, and I hesitate to elaborate more or risk giving you out-of-date info.
Thank you for this. Given my growing interest in Seiko watches I have just joined thewatchsite.com.
 
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I don't think there is a single good answer for all situations.
If it is a watch I post, I think I would prefer comments to be public, so a healthy discussion can occur.

I have been trolled by PM, on other fora. A simple comment like "hands are wrong" could be ignored as a PM. But in public, with others chiming in, acceptance is easier.
Somebody posting on a forum or IG is putting themselves out there: privacy is gone.

I like Ron's analogy of the zipper down. If I posted a pic of myself with my zipper down, I would like to be told ASAP, publicly is fine. Perhaps a lifetime of embarrassing myself has toughened me.

We can't judge what is best for the other person, or how they will react.
 
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Been thinking about this a bit and was wondering what people thought on dealer listings. When they post them on IG or other websites and there are clear issues such as wrong hands, etc. and they are putting them off as original, etc.

I just hate that type of stuff but just ignore them. Do others do the same?
 
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Been thinking about this a bit and was wondering what people thought on dealer listings. When they post them on IG or other websites and there are clear issues such as wrong hands, etc. and they are putting them off as original, etc.

I just hate that type of stuff but just ignore them. Do others do the same?

If you criticize a dealer's post on IG, he will just delete your comment and ban you.
 
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If you criticize a dealer's post on IG, he will just delete your comment and ban you.

So will continue to just ignore them...
 
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If you criticize a dealer's post on IG, he will just delete your comment and ban you.
The more I read about this, the more I appreciate how the OF sales section is set up.