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Lex4TDI4Life
路It seems like a pretty confusing area. Do we have any learned experts willing to offer some advice?
TIA,
Lex
TIA,
Lex
Do We Have Any Seiko Dive Watch Experts Around Here?
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styggpyggeno1
路It would be easier with a more direct watch question. The term "how long is a rope" comes to mind (is that saying working in English?). I know a little and that might be expert level to somebody else but without knowing more I could as easily be a novice.
Regards
JE
Regards
JE
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路I know the vintage dive watch market for Seiko is flooded with frankens and watches made from NOS parts.
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路It would be easier with a more direct watch question. The term "how long is a rope" comes to mind (is that saying working in English?). I know a little and that might be expert level to somebody else but without knowing more I could as easily be a novice.
Regards
JE
Fair enough 馃榾 I am looking for in inexpensive vintage diver with a little character. I spotted a couple on the 'Bay and figured I would gauge the community before posting links..
I know the vintage dive watch market for Seiko is flooded with frankens and watches made from NOS parts.
This seems to be my initial observation as well. The sellers seem to be very open about this, at least, so it may be par for the course in the Seiko community. Long term collectability is not my primary concern here, but I would prefer to avoid getting piece that turns to dust the moment it hits the light of day.
Onto the links. Thoughts?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111026813714?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2648
http://www.ebay.com/itm/281076753078?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-SEI...560605385?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item5aef39e4c9
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Men...102607839?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item2a2a8e7ddf
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路Sticking out my neck a little here without commenting on any particular auction above - there are some different perspectives in/on this. In that price segment there are a lot of watches that are really very simple and (sometimes mostly) built up with non-Seiko aftermarket parts. As long as you know and accept this you really cannot go wrong - the money involved makes risk low and you will have a (sort of) vintage watch that you do not have to be afraid to use as a daily beater. The downside is of course that collectors will never appriciate that kind of watch. Make a comparison with other brands and what would happen if they were sold with aftermarket dial, hands, bezel and perhaps even a replacement movement...
Still - and as I wrote earlier - it can be a very good daily beater.
I would say that the "Seiko community" (if there is a such) is divided in three parts - those who does not mind aftermarket parts at all, build what they want and have fun with it - and those who really do mind and want watches as original as possible - and some who are more in the middle and who thinks it is OK as long as you are open with it.
I would recommend some reading - here:
http://archives.makedostudio.com/seiko-divers/
here:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f281/how-buy-seiko-6309-diver-collectors-buying-guide-140799.html
and here:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f281/how-buy-seiko-7002-diver-collectors-buying-guide-258086.html
I am more to the "as original" direction but realize the benefits of a healthy aftermarket supply of crystals, gaskets, crowns, etc, parts that makes a watch usable even if it is vintage - long after the maker has stopped supplying them. Dials, hands, bezels, cases - not so keen...
In your shoes I would read the links thoroughly and then decide what to go for. Cheap and aftermarket - but very usable or a little more money and more genuine.
Sorry for not making it easy for you but there are no short cuts.
Kind regards
JE
Still - and as I wrote earlier - it can be a very good daily beater.
I would say that the "Seiko community" (if there is a such) is divided in three parts - those who does not mind aftermarket parts at all, build what they want and have fun with it - and those who really do mind and want watches as original as possible - and some who are more in the middle and who thinks it is OK as long as you are open with it.
I would recommend some reading - here:
http://archives.makedostudio.com/seiko-divers/
here:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f281/how-buy-seiko-6309-diver-collectors-buying-guide-140799.html
and here:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f281/how-buy-seiko-7002-diver-collectors-buying-guide-258086.html
I am more to the "as original" direction but realize the benefits of a healthy aftermarket supply of crystals, gaskets, crowns, etc, parts that makes a watch usable even if it is vintage - long after the maker has stopped supplying them. Dials, hands, bezels, cases - not so keen...
In your shoes I would read the links thoroughly and then decide what to go for. Cheap and aftermarket - but very usable or a little more money and more genuine.
Sorry for not making it easy for you but there are no short cuts.
Kind regards
JE
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pascs
路If you can I'd try to find a Seiko diver which is original as possible or alternatively look at buying a new Seiko diver.
I have a few Seiko divers, including 6309-7040, SKX007 and Orange Monster. I really like the 6309-7040 shape and have modified a couple using good quality dials and hands - there is a huge community modifying Seikos.
Many of the Seikos on ebay usually have aftermarket dials, hands and bezels. Nothing particularly wrong with that but the quality of these parts can be a bit low. Also you will need to have the watch pressure tested, I doubt any watch from ebay will be likely to be suitable for diving without testing first.
Reliability wise the 6309 movement is very good and accuracy can be from a few seconds a day to 20 seconds a day. The same with the newer 7S26 movement
I have a few Seiko divers, including 6309-7040, SKX007 and Orange Monster. I really like the 6309-7040 shape and have modified a couple using good quality dials and hands - there is a huge community modifying Seikos.
Many of the Seikos on ebay usually have aftermarket dials, hands and bezels. Nothing particularly wrong with that but the quality of these parts can be a bit low. Also you will need to have the watch pressure tested, I doubt any watch from ebay will be likely to be suitable for diving without testing first.
Reliability wise the 6309 movement is very good and accuracy can be from a few seconds a day to 20 seconds a day. The same with the newer 7S26 movement
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Lex4TDI4Life
路Thank's for the excellent insight, guys. Looks like I have some reading to do!
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路So I picked up what the seller touted as, and appears to be, an all original early 6039-7049. He claimed that the band is original as well, but my preliminary research leaves me with some doubts. I cannot seem to locate the part number on it. Otherwise, I am thrilled. It's in great shape and spinning like a top. On to the pics!
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路They are great little beater watches, yours is quartz. Looks to have the original crystal(Hardex), and hands. The Seiko band is readily available on the web for $15 or so.....I'd switch over to a better quality Bonetto Cintirini, much more comfortable(not a hard rubber compound).
You can upgrade to a sapphire crystal, bezel ring, ect. if needed, parts are easy to get. I had my hands relumed with C3, upgraded crystal, full service...just to get her up to date.
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路6309-7040 and 6309-7049 are both 6309 automatics - the 7049 was for the US market
I'm certain no 6309 case had a quartz, I think you can do a conversion of adding the 7548 quartz movement into the 6309 case
I'm certain no 6309 case had a quartz, I think you can do a conversion of adding the 7548 quartz movement into the 6309 case
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路I humbly withdraw from the conversation, and yield to the experts 馃榾 More coffee is needed
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路So I picked up what the seller touted as, and appears to be, an all original early 6039-7049. He claimed that the band is original as well, but my preliminary research leaves me with some doubts. I cannot seem to locate the part number on it. Otherwise, I am thrilled. It's in great shape and spinning like a top. On to the pics!
IMO the 6309-7040/7049 shape is a great divers shape and a nice retro look.
I really like the 6309 movement, its pretty basic but they are remarkably accurate with simple adjustment and so far mine have been very reliable. I do have a spare 6309 movement which has been badly serviced by the previous owner and its timing is all over the place.
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ulackfocus
路I humbly withdraw from the conversation, and yield to the experts 馃榾 More coffee is needed
Don't worry about being wrong here. I've made a few miscalculations that were corrected recently - nobody gets too snippy or acts like a douche here.
Come to think of it, I may be the worst mannered person that hasn't been banned. 馃槣
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Lex4TDI4Life
路Come to think of it, I may be the worst mannered person that hasn't been banned. 馃槣
Not so fast. There is a petition circulating as we speak. 馃槣
In all seriousness, though, this is by far the most amicable, polite and well-behaved online forum I have ever joined.
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路Don't worry about being wrong here. I've made a few miscalculations that were corrected recently - nobody gets too snippy or acts like a douche here.
Come to think of it, I may be the worst mannered person that hasn't been banned. 馃槣
I misread the model, and gave BS advice...my father always said "A man's gotta know when to fight...and when to run"...good thing I'm fast 馃榾
