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RoadRunner73
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Hello OF Folks !

I am searching for a nice Dog Leg Connie, that could be either SS or GC.
I understand that date models are no so much in favor currently, though I quite like the aesthetic of a date window to complement a dial.
Having said that, the question is about the usage of a date version on vintage watches that one is not likely to wear every day, so this means updating the date on a regular basis, and then the pain to grasp and operate a decagonnal crown , and in the worst cases, make a up to complete month turn ! Seems the best option would be to go for a 564 "quick set date", but then I read the comments from Desmond saying that this quick set system is quite fragile, and the later versions (starting which year ??) have been improved and should be preferred.

Thanks for your (always) valuable comments on this topic ! 👍
 
Peemacgee
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I don't think date models are out of favour - it's more that folks who prefer non-date models just tend to say so more often. 😉

The benefits of wanting a watch with a date versus having to set it if you don't wear to often is one you will have work through for yourself.

The early 'date' doglegs have a cal 561with semi-quickset date, so you only need to 'wind' to 12, back through 9 and and forward through 12 again to change the date - it's really no big effort.

The cal 564 quickset date is quicker to use (obviously) and as long as you follow @Archer 's advice and place the hands at 6.30 when you change the date, you should have no issues with the mechanism. (with the quickset your more likely to change the date by accident and then have to go through a whole month to get back to where you want to be - ask me how I know! 🤬 - which is why savvy users stop one day short and wind the hands through the last date change )

Using the decagonal crown to change the date on a 561 isn't a problem as you have to pull it out one notch and so can grip it reasonably easily - winding the decagonal crown on any dogleg is however a bit of a pain.

hope that helps
 
RoadRunner73
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
I don't think date models are out of favour - it's more that folks who prefer non-date models just tend to say so more often. 😉

The benefits of wanting a watch with a date versus having to set it if you don't wear to often is one you will have work through for yourself.

The early 'date' doglegs have a cal 561with semi-quickset date, so you only need to 'wind' to 12, back through 9 and and forward through 12 again to change the date - it's really no big effort.

The cal 564 quickset date is quicker to use (obviously) and as long as you follow @Archer 's advice and place the hands at 6.30 when you change the date, you should have no issues with the mechanism. (with the quickset your more likely to change the date by accident and then have to go through a whole month to get back to where you want to be - ask me how I know! 🤬 - which is why savvy users stop one day short and wind the hands through the last date change )

Using the decagonal crown to change the date on a 561 isn't a problem as you have to pull it out one notch and so can grip it reasonably easily - winding the decagonal crown on any dogleg is however a bit of a pain.

hope that helps

Yeah, helps me a lot, many thanks !! I was not aware of this semi-quick set date system : do all 561 fitted in doglegs operate this way ?
 
Dan S
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Isn't the quickset for the 564 the type where the date advances by moving the crown in and out repeatedly? Always makes me a little nervous, TBH, so I just tend to ignore the date. 🤦
 
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RoadRunner73 RoadRunner73
Yeah, helps me a lot, many thanks !! I was not aware of this semi-quick set date system : do all 561 fitted in doglegs operate this way ?

Yes
Doglegs, 14393s, .004s, early .010s, early C-cases - all 561s operate like this.
 
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Dan S Dan S
Isn't the quickset for the 564 the type where the date advances by moving the crown in and out repeatedly? Always makes me a little nervous, TBH, so I just tend to ignore the date. 🤦

563, 564, and 565 all use this system. The danger is that when you are pulling the crown out to position 2 to set the time, you accidentally pull it too far and trigger the quick change date. If the date is already in the process of changing, that’s when there’s a risk of damage.
 
RoadRunner73
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Dan S Dan S
Isn't the quickset for the 564 the type where the date advances by moving the crown in and out repeatedly? Always makes me a little nervous, TBH, so I just tend to ignore the date. 🤦

Well this is exactly the situation I would like to avoid 😗
As another OP said in another thread, I feel the need of my date watches to be showing the correct day/date ; to me, not setting it would be like wearing a watch that is not giving the right time.
 
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RoadRunner73 RoadRunner73
Well this is exactly the situation I would like to avoid 😗
As another OP said in another thread, I feel the need of my date watches to be showing the correct day/date ; to me, not setting it would be like wearing a watch that is not giving the right time.

People like you should just buy no-date watches.
 
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I get that it’s something to be aware of, but once you’re aware of the possible issue I don’t quite understand the big deal. Pull the crown out gently, forward the time until the date jumps over / you’ve reached midnight so you know where you are. A well-running cal 564 is easy to use, really.
 
STANDY
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Can’t beat a non date, even better without those Piepan creases on the dial 😉

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And probably the best Omega movement
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