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When you have purchased a watch from a different country does it always attract duty and or tax. Is there a way around this other than lying on the description. I’ve seen some fantastic watches online and on here, but when you factor in duty and tax (plus postage, insurance and exchange rates) it takes the shine off. Any tips to keep costs down?
 
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Welcome to the forum Paul. Unfortunately, death and taxes are inevitable. Some countries don’t seem to collect (like in the US) and some are vigilant. In the US we are supposed to self report some things but the nuances are left to those with far more expensive than I (I rarely purchase outside the US).
Since brexit, many members here have had to change their buying habits in both the UK and EU as the additional VAT has just become too much on top of the purchase price. It does tend to keep nice watches in country though which can work in your favor if one you want pops up nearby as less people will be interested.
One thing you should be cautious of is posting publicly your desire to know how to circumvent duty/taxes. You won’t find many people willing to talk openly about that subject.
 
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Welcome to the forum Paul. Unfortunately, death and taxes are inevitable. Some countries don’t seem to collect (like in the US) and some are vigilant. In the US we are supposed to self report some things but the nuances are left to those with far more expensive than I (I rarely purchase outside the US).
Since brexit, many members here have had to change their buying habits in both the UK and EU as the additional VAT has just become too much on top of the purchase price. It does tend to keep nice watches in country though which can work in your favor if one you want pops up nearby as less people will be interested.
One thing you should be cautious of is posting publicly your desire to know how to circumvent duty/taxes. You won’t find many people willing to talk openly about that subject.
Thanks for the response and you make a great point. I am not suggesting avoiding paying tax/duty just wondering how to keep costs down. I live in Canada and bought things from the US in good faith only to be stung by hidden import fees. Wasn’t sure there were any loopholes like importing cars when they are 25 or 40 years old they are tax exempt
 
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I have some experience about importing into the US, but I think that customs duties vary tremendously from country to country and I don't know how it works in Canada. You might want to edit the title to indicate that you are asking about importing into Canada. 👍
 
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Thanks for the response and you make a great point. I am not suggesting avoiding paying tax/duty just wondering how to keep costs down. I live in Canada and bought things from the US in good faith only to be stung by hidden import fees. Wasn’t sure there were any loopholes like importing cars when they are 25 or 40 years old they are tax exempt
We have many Canadian members here so hopefully they will respond at some point, but I don’t think there are the same parameters as with cars. These are still just considered consumer goods with a value affixed. Antique items may have different tax standards (and there are many who collect antique watches here) but not sure what the age parameters are, nor how you are to fill out the customs form (each country can have specific wording).
Whatever you do, do not lie on the form (this you know- but some unscrupulous sellers may offer it) and don’t forgo the insurance. Plus, make sure you buy wirh PayPal or other means that has recourse in case you get a rock in the mail.
If there is one thing many here have learned the hard way, it’s not wise to be penny wise and pound foolish.
 
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As a Canadian Ex-Pat, i understand your curiosity. I have always been amazed at the duties levied and the rather stingy tax-free allowances we were allowed compared to friends who live in other countries. I can only say, don't fudge the form, and if you were cross border shopping for the day, they know when you left the country, so dont tell them you were down all weekend........

But AFAIK, used cars that are old enough get a special rate. But parts do not.
 
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Every country is different, some are very easy to import in to (US), and some will flag every shipment. And for some countries it is the luck of the draw as to whether your shipment gets picked for duty. It just depends. The origin of the shipment can also be a factor as to how your shipment gets treated, some countries get more attention than others.
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In my experience, Canada is luck of the draw. In general, however, always ask for USPS. Do not use FedEx, ups, DHL, etc. USPS does not charge for Canadian brokerage. The other carriers mostly do.

With USPS, about half the time I pay duty and tax. Other times watches sail right through. I guess it depends how backed up the CBSA inspectors are.
 
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Sometimes a seller will volunteer to declare a lower price to avoid you getting charged exorbitant tax. Problem with this is that if the item gets lost or damaged the insurance won't cover it. I have bought from Japan and found the tax exeptable but the tax from the US is quite high. I'll tell you a brief story..

I work as a tour guide and a few years ago I had this great old guy in my group from Minnesota. Noticing my battered old pair of Redwing boots he told me that he lived near to where they were made. When I said goodbye to him he casually asked him to jot down my address. A month later I received a letter from UPS saying that I had a customs charge to pay before an item could be released. It was £80!!. However it was a lovely pair of Redwing boots sent over by Frank.
 
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In my experience, Canada is luck of the draw. In general, however, always ask for USPS. Do not use FedEx, ups, DHL, etc. USPS does not charge for Canadian brokerage. The other carriers mostly do.

With USPS, about half the time I pay duty and tax. Other times watches sail right through. I guess it depends how backed up the CBSA inspectors are.

This is true.....what I have found is that via Canada Post from wherever is a bit of a crap shoot. Sometimes full duty plus GST/HST charged and other times it sails through. With the couriers it is ALWAYS charged and there is the broker fee on top, which stings more. UPS is the absolute worst where I am, I have paid brokerage fees of $50-100 on a duty plus GST of $10. CBSA has a very good relationship with these companies, so nothing gets past. Another annoyance is the "Global Shipping Program" through eBay.

All of that said, you cannot escape payment of these duties without risk, and the worst part of it all is how well our $ performs against the currency of where you are buying from.......
 
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In my experience, Canada is luck of the draw. In general, however, always ask for USPS. Do not use FedEx, ups, DHL, etc. USPS does not charge for Canadian brokerage. The other carriers mostly do.

With USPS, about half the time I pay duty and tax. Other times watches sail right through. I guess it depends how backed up the CBSA inspectors are.

Exactly this.
 
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When you have purchased a watch from a different country does it always attract duty and or tax. Is there a way around this other than lying on the description. I’ve seen some fantastic watches online and on here, but when you factor in duty and tax (plus postage, insurance and exchange rates) it takes the shine off. Any tips to keep costs down?[/QUOTE]

Er, buy cheaper watches?
Seriously you can invite sellers to misrecord values on customs declarations: they will or they won't. You can explore grey outlets and maybe make a small saving; maybe. But you'll worry if you've sent your money down a rabbit hole with no redress. You can use paypal friends and family "sending money" rather than paypal "buying something": if it goes wrong you're on your own.

Honestly my advice is to suck it up/take it on the chin.
 
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Hey Kryten (for those that don't know, it's the character from Red Dwarf in OP's display pic), since moving to Canada I've only bought one watch delivered here so far, from dutyfreeislandshop. The watch was a Citizen diver for approx. CAD320 at the time, and I asked for it to be shipped without the original boxes; no additional customs, duties or taxes were charged.

I have recently pulled the trigger on another piece (Solas Starlight), and due to the electricity-rationing situation in the China we'll receive an update on delivery after a couple of days when the owner of Solas can confirm the tentative delivery date. I'll come back here and let you know what the customs\taxes scene is when I receive it.

FYI, if you're not in the know, be wary of genuine exotic leathers/skins/animal products. Genuine 'Gator/Croc leather straps need to be declared and must have their CITES certificates provided, a tip i've gleaned from the interwebs is to have the head and strap shipped seperately; why have both items held up on account of one item being the issue? Also, another tip could be to just buy the watch (head) and get your own strap!

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All of us in Australia feel your pain.
Don’t have only the exchange rate killing us, if say an eBay seller works through the global shipping system we pre-pay the Australian GST which is calculated on TOP of the postage (which while I’m having a moan, can vary apparently from US$23 to $100 and appears to be completely at the whim of the seller). The winner here is some crowd called Pitney-Bowes who run their US operations out of Erlanger Kentucky, which adds the delicious factor of tracking your newly acquired item while it goes backwards from Oregon to Kentucky and sits on its arse there for ten days.
Delivery times are currently ‘totally shit’ compared to the normal pre-COVID GSP time frame of ‘pretty shit’.
Did I mention the 4% commission on every forex transaction charged by PayPal/eBay?

I’d better have that second cup of tea …

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The main issue with reporting value is the insurance. Once you insure the package for the right value that's what nis reported to customs. Vintage watches returning from service or repair from other countries don't pay taxes but anything you "buy" should carry tax.

Sometimes they have overlooked shipments and sometimes we get the bill later from customs or the item is not released until customs is paid.

Typically items valued under 1000 US dollars (to the US, don't know Canada) often fly under the radar.
 
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If I'm remembering right from when I bought my WatchCo Seamaster 300, over $2500 required a special form and some duty but it wasn't a lot, like $60 range. USA, btw.
 
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Thanks for the response and you make a great point. I am not suggesting avoiding paying tax/duty just wondering how to keep costs down. I live in Canada and bought things from the US in good faith only to be stung by hidden import fees. Wasn’t sure there were any loopholes like importing cars when they are 25 or 40 years old they are tax exempt

The fees are well known for customs duty and taxes, so there's nothing hidden really. Duty on watches (if there is any) will be 5%, and taxes will depend on where you live, so ranging from 5% to 15%

I've rarely been charged duty on a watch coming from out of country, but taxes yes certainly. Canada Post will be hit and miss as others have said, and couriers will always put it on. Canada Post has a processing fee ($9.95) and the couriers can charge much more for acting as your customs broker. UPS will be the worst for this, followed by FedEx Ground. FedEx Express is much cheaper.

Our di minimis value in Canada is very small compared to say the US. Theirs is $800 before any duty is charged. Here it's a tiered system...

For parcels valued under $40, no duties or taxes are charged. For parcels between $40 and $150, no duty is charged, but taxes are. For parcels over $150, duties and taxes are charged. This is better than the $20 it used to be across the board, but the retail sector here lobbied hard against even these modest increases.
 
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Hi Paulmw, I live in Canada and have made numerous purchases from other countries. As JwRosenthal, indicated death and taxes are two things that you can count on. The 5% duty, 13% hst, and 4% paypal exchange rate adds a hefty premium to the purchases. If you use any of the standard shipping services, you will also pay a customs brokerage fee on top of that which seems to vary based on how they feel at the time. It has been as low as $18 and as high as $60 with no rhyme or reason.

USPS pass it over to Canada Post at our end. Canada Post usually collects the fees if it is flagged by customs. Their brokerage fee is lower but all other taxes and duties apply. I have had a few sail through with no charges but 2 out of 3 get held for payment at the local post office.

I prefer not to use Canada Post or USPS as they can be very slow, the packages can handled roughly, they sometimes lose items and they are very difficult to deal with for insurance if an item is damaged. I pay the extra for Fedex or DHL, unless the person I am buying from insists on USPS (or Royal Mail from the UK). I buy watches on a forum in Canada and I do the math to determine the total cost and value to me. The choices are much greater outside of Canada, so I purchase 75% from other countries and factor the costs into my decision to purchase.
 
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There was a time a few years ago when USPS was a better choice than FEDEX or UPS (unless using parcel pro) USPS is currently a complete disaster. They are severely under funded and staffed.