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Correct Period Piece Box for a Year 2000 (Update 1997) Omega Speedmaster Professional?

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According to the Omega bible 77 is 2005:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-seamaster-166-067-sparkle-dial.131357/#post-1783832

We really need picture from inside cap of your watch with correct reference number.

77m serials we’re used in Speedmasters for approx 10 years so your bible ain’t really helping, In fact it is just as full of errors as the useless online lists. Yes 2005 will be under 77m but so will many years either side. Opening the back on a modern Speedmaster will tell you very little. They all say 145.0022 which is the modern case number (note 7 not 6 digits) and nothing about the PIC (eg 3570.50.00) which describes the full retail set and is only seen on the cards and hang tag.

Tom’s quoted data point is interesting if correct. It suggests I may have been a year or two too late with my date for the jump from 48m to 77m but I still don’t think the OP watch is as early as the online thing says, particularly as that estimation tool actually stops at 2000 and returns that year for 78m too.
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so your bible ain’t really helping
BTW it`s not mine.
Comment from what I linked to:

As to movement serial numbers, I stick to the official list published in the authentic OMEGA book „Journey through Time“ (of wich I am lucky to own a copy myself). I have also asked OMEGA customer service some time ago, and their answer was:

„In regard to any public lists, we ask for your comprehension that OMEGA cannot provide any comment. However, OMEGA published an indicative list "Movement numbers andtheir respective earliest date" in the book "Journey through Time“. Please note that this list reflects a general indication. Decisive is the production date displayed in the Extract from the Archives. It shows the information of the archives for theindividual OMEGA timepiece in question.“
 
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AJTT is great but the serial list isn’t much use on modern stuff. To be generous it is an oversimplification that ignores the fact that different models use different ranges with big jumps. It’s not just Speedmasters, other models do it too. You can’t date a modern Omega from an all encompassing single list of serial numbers vs date, you need to understand the pattern for that specific model too.
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Back in 2001, my Speedmaster Professional was supplied in one of the black leatherette boxes, like this:

47D8AC67-D6C9-45C2-988B-5F97F84ADFA0.jpeg
 
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Back in 2001, my Speedmaster Professional was supplied in one of the black leatherette boxes, like this:

47D8AC67-D6C9-45C2-988B-5F97F84ADFA0.jpeg
What serial was it Chris?
 
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my 3570.50, serial 77,xxx,xxx came with red box
(no longer have the watch, box and paper remained with me)
357050 box.jpg
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my 3570.50, serial 77,xxx,xxx came with red box
(no longer have the watch, box and paper remained with me)
357050 box.jpg

I think those are the later style set of cards (mine had the cream coloured ones from memory).

And the I/6 instruction manual was published in 2002, as yours has an I/7 it was possibly sold later than that?

Do you know when your watch was sold?

I guess 77,xxx,xxx covers a good few years! (Reading @padders post above now, I see it’s around 10 years… so that could see a mix of boxes, cards and manuals!)
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Tom’s quoted data point is interesting if correct. It suggests I may have been a year or two too late with my date for the jump from 48m to 77m but I still don’t think the OP watch is as early as the online thing says, particularly as that estimation tool actually stops at 2000 and returns that year for 78m too.
I don't see why it wouldn't be... the reply came directly from Omega's customer service of the day and that information is basically your "extract of the archive" back when that information was freely given.

If anyone is curious, I'll share the the entire message, headers and all, in a PM.

By the way, my Speedmaster, no longer mine, did not come with that big, fat book. I traded it to my watchmaker, he would probably take a picture of it if I asked him to.
 
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I don't see why it wouldn't be... the reply came directly from Omega's customer service of the day and that information is basically your "extract of the archive" back when that information was freely given.

If anyone is curious, I'll share the the entire message, headers and all, in a PM.

By the way, my Speedmaster, no longer mine, did not come with that big, fat book. I traded it to my watchmaker, he would probably take a picture of it if I asked him to.

I’ve just realised you are talking about the so called Replica Model, not the Moonwatch Pro so as a datapoint it isn’t perhaps quite as relevant as it might have been. When I see a Pro with a 1999 77m serial I’ll change my mind. The serial change may have been earlier than I thought but I wouldn’t take a limited production model like the Replica as fully indicative.
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One who may be able to shed light on this is @eugeneandresson who curates ILMS. Eugene, have you seen any 77m serial extracts yet? If so what is the earliest?
 
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I’ve just realised you are talking about the so called Replica Model, not the Moonwatch Pro so as a datapoint it isn’t perhaps quite as relevant as it might have been. When I see a Pro with a 1999 77m serial I’ll change my mind. The serial change may have been earlier than I thought but I wouldn’t take a limited production model like the Replica as fully indicative.
Yeah, why I included the number. They were around, but not necessarily in the Speedmaster Professional. I certainly profess no knowledge of that.
 
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One who may be able to shed light on this is @eugeneandresson who curates ILMS. Eugene, have you seen any 77m serial extracts yet? If so what is the earliest?

Not a single one. The closest :

48394659 (round 03/99).

Despite the best effort of some folk to upload them (I thank everyone in advance and in retrospect) there is quite a disparity in # of extracts per year ...

1958 : 2
1959 : 5
1960 : 4
1961 : 5
1962 : 4
1963 : 13
1964 : 4
1965 : 11
1966 : 34
1967 : 57
1968 : 59
1969 : 23
1970 : 55
1971 : 30
1972 : 3
1973 : 5
1974 : 7
1975 : 4
1976 : 6
1977 : 6
1978 : 4
1979 : 1
1980 : 3
1981 : 6
1982 : 5
1983 : 1
1984 : 1
1985 : 2
1986 : 4
1987 : 1
1988 : 4
1989 : 4
1990 : 1
1991 : 6
1992 : 2
1993 : 1
1994 : 2
1995 : 3
1996 : 1
1997 : 2
1999 : 1
 
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Keep in mind that the site in my language says that the extract is not available for US customers, just in case.
Not available over the internet for American customers.

key difference. Call your nearest boutique and they can do it for you.
 
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Back in 2001, my Speedmaster Professional was supplied in one of the black leatherette boxes, like this:

47D8AC67-D6C9-45C2-988B-5F97F84ADFA0.jpeg

I have a 3575.20 Speedmaster, SN 77,042,xxx, that came with this same black leatherette box and similar documentation. I don't know when it was actually produced but the MWO book says this model was made from 2000-2005. I would estimate it was from 2001-2002.

Don't get too hung up on the box, Omega had many boxes in circulation at any one time and it often came down to what the dealer pulled from the shelf at the time of sale. There is no way to determine what any particular watch came in what box in this era. Today it is much more standardized, but not back then.
 
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Evitzee Evitzee
Don't get too hung up on the box, Omega had many boxes in circulation at any one time and it often came down to what the dealer pulled from the shelf at the time of sale. There is no way to determine what any particular watch came in what box in this era. Today it is much more standardized, but not back then.
Remember, the OP is/was looking to buy a box, papers, and hang tags (as stated in their other thread) so they can add value/authentication should they ever decide to sell it.

G GentMasterclass
The reason I got my watch for such a great price is because it was missing them, but now I’d like to have them if it’s possible, because why not? It’s confirmation and an acknowledgement that the watch is authentic. I’m personally not looking to sell my watch, but knowing that I could increase the value of it if I ever needed to, I want to do it. […] What else can I buy from Omega? Do they sell tags and boxes too
https://omegaforums.net/threads/rep...certificate-pictogram-cards-2021-2022.137500/

All this to say, it seems a period correct box is very important to them. They have created two threads about it. ☕
 
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Remember, the OP is/was looking to buy a box, papers, and hang tags (as stated in their other thread) so they can add value/authentication should they ever decide to sell it.


https://omegaforums.net/threads/rep...certificate-pictogram-cards-2021-2022.137500/

All this to say, it seems a period correct box is very important to them. They have created two threads about it. ☕
I understand what the OP is looking for, he says he wants to know definitively which box his watch came in when it was originally sold. That's impossible to know exactly as there were different boxes at any point that could have been chosen by the dealer. He can pick one that was in use around the time his watch would have been sold, but I wouldn't overwork the task.
 
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Not a single one. The closest :

48394659 (round 03/99).

Despite the best effort of some folk to upload them (I thank everyone in advance and in retrospect) there is quite a disparity in # of extracts per year ...

1958 : 2
1959 : 5
1960 : 4
1961 : 5
1962 : 4
1963 : 13
1964 : 4
1965 : 11
1966 : 34
1967 : 57
1968 : 59
1969 : 23
1970 : 55
1971 : 30
1972 : 3
1973 : 5
1974 : 7
1975 : 4
1976 : 6
1977 : 6
1978 : 4
1979 : 1
1980 : 3
1981 : 6
1982 : 5
1983 : 1
1984 : 1
1985 : 2
1986 : 4
1987 : 1
1988 : 4
1989 : 4
1990 : 1
1991 : 6
1992 : 2
1993 : 1
1994 : 2
1995 : 3
1996 : 1
1997 : 2
1999 : 1

Thanks Eugene. Since extracts are now available for watches up to 2010, hopefully this situation will improve and we will see some clarity on the millennial watches eventually.

If anyone out there has a Speedy extract and hasn't uploaded it, then do your bit for our community and trot along to www.ilovemyspeedmaster.com and do so. There is no downside to doing so, only a warm feeling of helping your fellow man.
 
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Not available over the internet for American customers.

key difference. Call your nearest boutique and they can do it for you.
Just curious, do you know (or anyone) if it can be done completely over the phone and email as opposed to in person? For those of us that dont live near any OB

To the OP: Modern Red Box has been used since the 1990’s and was used simultaneously to the black box. Buy one on eBay and call it a day. As far as avoiding a fake, as you noted most peel so buy an imperfect box as that is what most would expect.
 
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Just curious, do you know (or anyone) if it can be done completely over the phone and email as opposed to in person? For those of us that dont live near any OB

To the OP: Modern Red Box has been used since the 1990’s and was used simultaneously to the black box. Buy one on eBay and call it a day. As far as avoiding a fake, as you noted most peel so buy an imperfect box as that is what most would expect.

yes it can. Just call your nearest OB.
 
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