Constellation Deluxe 2852/2853

Gui13250 · Fri. 10:58am

Hi all,
A friend of mine is about to pull the trigger on a nice Constellation Deluxe réf 2852/2853.
At first, i was sûre it was a redial, but after some research, it seems that this particular référence from the 50’s does not have the same font than later constellation from the 60’s.

What is your point of view ? Is it a redial ?

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Thanks you

hugh162 · Fri. 11:16am

Not too familiar with the deluxe dials but the printing looks consistent with other 50s constellations I’ve seen and looks original to me, though the photos are a bit blurry. Also, there are some spots around the 1 o’clock position.

reggie_v · Fri. 11:28am

Looks original to me. However it’s not in that good condition. I’d always hold off for the best example you can get but appreciate these are getting harder to find.

amuscare87 · Fri. 11:36am

Looks to be original.

theluckyluke · Fri. 12:28pm

What’s happening there? It looks kind of dodgy. Is it the crystal that’s deforming the script to a hand-written style?

Gui13250 · Fri. 12:44pm

theluckyluke
What’s happening there? It looks kind of dodgy. Is it the crystal that’s deforming the script to a hand-written style?

That is the point

bgrisso · Fri. 1:10pm

probable compression artifacts

hugh162 · Fri. 1:19pm

theluckyluke
What’s happening there? It looks kind of dodgy. Is it the crystal that’s deforming the script to a hand-written style?

Probably a combination of crystal distortion, low resolution and AI automatically sharpening the image on most phones’ photos nowadays

theluckyluke · Fri. 1:28pm

hugh162
Probably a combination of crystal distortion, low resolution and AI automatically sharpening the image on most phones’ photos nowadays

Yes, I imagine that should be it (I hope!) as the letters do look a bit different on each image.

Gui13250 · Fri. 2:16pm

Well, I seems to be original according to all of you.
I must say I’m surprised by the gap of quality between 50’s and 60s.
Constellations from the 60s have consistent dont, with clean serifs.
In 50’s, it seems writen by hand

hugh162 · Fri. 2:19pm

Gui13250
Well, I seems to be original according to all of you.
I must say I’m surprised by the gap of quality between 50’s and 60s.
Constellations from the 60s have consistent dont, with clean serifs.
In 50’s, it seems writen by hand

Could you post some clearer photos, or have you seen it in person? It shouldn’t look like it’s written by hand (if original)

Gui13250 · Fri. 2:26pm

Not written by hand. But far from being as clean as a 168.005

Gui13250 · Fri. 2:28pm

Maybe @Peemacgee could help us ? 😀

Dan S · Fri. 3:18pm

I think that we are seeing severe compression artifacts. Who took the photos? If they are from the seller, maybe they can send high resolution files.

Dan S · Fri. 3:34pm

What I find most interesting is the totally different styles of the M's in AUTOMATIC (angled legs) and CHRONOMETER (straight legs). That's a very unfortunate choice by Omega IMO, but apparently it is a known style.

Peemacgee · Fri. 3:48pm

Gui13250
Maybe @Peemacgee could help us ? 😀

Thank you for your confidence.
I think it looks fine.
(@Dan S is right about the picture quality)

However, it’s @cristos71 and @MtV that you want for 50s Constellations.

reggie_v · Fri. 3:54pm

Gui13250
Well, I seems to be original according to all of you.
I must say I’m surprised by the gap of quality between 50’s and 60s.
Constellations from the 60s have consistent dont, with clean serifs.
In 50’s, it seems writen by hand

This is my early 50s 2699 and the text is crisp and clear like all genuine examples should be. There’s a thread on the forum that does show that these early 2699 models have two different types of fonts despite being the same model. It was concluded that these were likely first off the line 1952 model year dials then they changed to the later font (as shown on mine) before changing again to the applied “omega” logo on the later refs much like your watch. Regardless of these small tweaks all the dials should have clear font that look like this:

MtV · Fri. 4:21pm

Thank you @Peemacgee but I‘m not sure I can be a significant help with those pics. What @Dan S said - something rather weird is going on with those pics. Ask the seller to take the movement / dial out and take pics, or have a watchmaker do it. It’s an easy job and not too much to ask for at this price range. The way some of the letters seem to be completely bent in different ways in different pics makes me thing that a scratched plexi might be the cause of this, combined with a softening after-effect on the pic itself.

The two main texts on the dial seem like they might be ok, relatively thin but then my example, used for comparison here, has a rather thick print and there were slight variations:

@Dan S While the different Ms might not be to everybody’s taste, they’re indeed correct.

What does give me a little bit of pause - and it might just be the bad quality of the pics / distortion from the plexi - is the positioning of the Swiss Made, which is very high. Compare:

gatorcpa · Fri. 4:22pm

It is clear to me that the photos provided were not of great quality and that there could also be fine scratches on the crystal that are causing to printing to look distorted at high magnification.

What I do see is some yellowing and decay of the original lacquer. Probably just on the surface and doesn’t affect the 18K gold underneath. But it is a condition issue that should affect the price somewhat.

A watch of this price magnitude should be examined in person or have some sort of an approval period.
gatorcpa

Gui13250 · Sat. 1:14am

Thanks a lot to all of you for détails.
Indeed i ask for better quality pictures.

For me who is not familiar with this model, I was surprised by the “bad” quality of the script.
But then looking at your pictures and comment, it seems well to be original.
I must say that I deeply prefer later version 😀

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