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Constellation calendar 14393-1 dial issues

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Ho fellow OF members,
I considering buying (or at least pitting in an offer) this Conny. To me case, movement, bracelet and crown look ok based on like watches displayed on the forum. What I have mu doubts about is the ‘patina’ of the dial and I would like your opinion about this. I would greatly appreciate your input!
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About the railtrack, this aging look quite common for that reference.

To me it’s not patina, it’s damage… But this notion can be quite personal 😀
 
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About the railtrack, this aging look quite common for that reference.

To me it’s not patina, it’s damage… But this notion can be quite personal 😀
That’s always the personal perception😉
This is the reason I placed patine in parentheses.

is the damage/ patina in this case something you expect to get worse?
 
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Crown is incorrect - rest is okay. Buy it if the price is right and you like the patina.
That’s interesting, because even in this forum there is no consensus in this being the correct or wrong crown. I’ve seen examples displayed here by respected members claiming the crown is correct. Others mentioning it’s incorrect. Thats something that can be discussed in length😀
 
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That’s interesting, because even in this forum there is no consensus in this being the correct or wrong crown. I’ve seen examples displayed here by respected members claiming the crown is correct. Others mentioning it’s incorrect. Thats something that can be discussed in length😀

You might wish to refer to this thread
https://omegaforums.net/threads/the-curious-case-of-controversial-constellation-crowns.54568/
 
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Dial is too damaged for me but if you like it go for it
 
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That’s interesting, because even in this forum there is no consensus in this being the correct or wrong crown. I’ve seen examples displayed here by respected members claiming the crown is correct. Others mentioning it’s incorrect. Thats something that can be discussed in length😀
Can you the thread where you saw this?

There are two crowns that are generally considered to be correct on railtrack Connies. One is what I refer to as a “thin decagonal” (ten sided, hard to use), the other is what I refer to as a “thin scalloped” (very thin - thinner than DeVille crowns). This one has neither of those.
 
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I have the OP crown on a a 60s Connie. I believe it is fine. It could be a service replacement but you see it often enough to suggest it is original and it is a hell of a lot easier to use than the decagonal type. Those are frankly useless. The OP dial isn’t great but the case is very sharp.
 
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Can you the thread where you saw this?

There are two crowns that are generally considered to be correct on railtrack Connies. One is what I refer to as a “thin decagonal” (ten sided, hard to use), the other is what I refer to as a “thin scalloped” (very thin - thinner than DeVille crowns). This one has neither of those.
Well, having read the thesis (😉) of ConElPueblo and checking pictures (@MtV) most of them seem indeed to have a thinner crown. But as @padders states that it’s also possible that the thicker version can also be correct👎
I think that we will never exactly know
 
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Minimal offer accepted on this one is €1350. I have my doubts comparing it wit sold ones here on the OF and this dial quality. What’s your opinion?
And also important will the dial quality deteriorate further?
 
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In a strange way I think it's a attractive watch. Railtracks are uncommon. All in all I could see me paying the asking for this one. But it's really personal. I can understand why some would say this is just a damaged dial. Dont know what the future will bring regarding dial issue. The crown would'nt bother me at all. Original or not. As long as it does'nt destroy the overall design.
 
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The dial is 50% of the value of the watch. So..... Not worth it for me. And the " Patina " here is damage.
 
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I would love to hear the experts opinion on the price.

Sharp case, BoR but with this dial. (for me the dial is damaged)

Even if the crown might be the correct service crown I wouldn't spend the called amount of money on this example.
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Far from calling myself an expert, but regarding the price:

I doubt it’d achieve 1350€ in a no reserve auction on eBay.
I doubt any senior collector here would pay 1350€ for it.
I also doubt it’d take long to sell it for 1350€ on C24.
And I could see a dealer asking (and getting) 2k for it.

So the price isn’t completely out of this world, even less so with the 150-or-so-€ for the BoR, but at the same time, it’s not exactly a bargain. The crown wouldn’t worry me much - but you’d always be stuck with a damaged dial and finding a replacement railtrack one is basically impossible.
 
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Well, having read the thesis (😉) of ConElPueblo and checking pictures (@MtV) most of them seem indeed to have a thinner crown. But as @padders states that it’s also possible that the thicker version can also be correct👎
I think that we will never exactly know

I disagree with this and would say that @seekingseaquest has summed it up correctly here.

seekingseaquest seekingseaquest
Can you the thread where you saw this?

There are two crowns that are generally considered to be correct on railtrack Connies. One is what I refer to as a “thin decagonal” (ten sided, hard to use), the other is what I refer to as a “thin scalloped” (very thin - thinner than DeVille crowns). This one has neither

I think the price is just about right on the money considering case front condition ( how's the back? ) and the additional bracelet. If the dial was perfect I'd think €1700-1850 wouldn't be unreasonable.

This kind of damage/patina is for rail track dial Constellations quite common. This one exhibits it to a very high degree and I personally wouldn't buy unless very cheap for that reason.

I'd rather spend more on a better example, you will have more satisfaction in the long run.
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I disagree with this and would say that @seekingseaquest has summed it up correctly here.



I think the price is just about right on the money considering case front condition ( how's the back? ) and the additional bracelet. If the dial was perfect I'd think €1700-1850 wouldn't be unreasonable.

This kind of damage/patina is for rail track dial Constellations quite common. This one exhibits it to a very high degree and I personally wouldn't buy unless very cheap for that reason.

I'd rather spend more on a better example, you will have more satisfaction in the long run.
Case back is sharp as well. I did not place photos of the back as they are not in high res and I could not copy them via the smart phone (not so smart after all). Movement checks out based on what you expect in this reference.
 
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